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I think this guy is wrong but it's still worrying that a major Ukraine ally head of armed forces is speaking like this

Yes the very notable indifference to Ukraine in Western Europe in particular is a shameful disgrace, but if things keep getting worse there will be millions more Ukrainian refugees coming to Europe this summer, then we'll see what the price of indifference is

ukraine needs to hit some major moscow power station or similar - why not adopt the exact same tactic as russia and leave some egg on their face

apparently russia is now sending 10-12 missiles at station at same time to overwhelm defense

it feels like Ukraine is hurtling towards a point of nothing to lose. It all hinges on those republicans. After seeing Johnson nodding along to that orange freak I don’t think any Ukrainian funding is getting done.

US doesn't support Ukraine's right to strike such ostensibly strategic targets on Russian soil …………….. but is happy to cheer on the zionists to randomly kill Iranian diplomats in an Embassy in Damascus (technically Iranian soil)

Did not think we'd be at this stage in 2024. So muchh blood and loss at the hands of the GOP.

Absolutely disgusting the situation the UAF are now in.

If the US fails to deliver for Ukraine I would strongly suggest Europe to critically think about their relationship with the US…. perhaps even step out of NATO as a block, The US cannot be trusted and their political turmoil is costing European lives for 2 decades now

Yep, hope European countries remember this the next time America is attacked like 9/11,

For good or bad most of Europe rowed in behind America after it was attacked.

It should be obvious to you by now that there is no mood among large swathes of the American or European electorate for war, especially for loser wars. The widespread protests by potential Democrat voters has materially changed the American administrations attitude towards the Israeli's military campaign in Gaza and forced Netenyahu into retreat. Traditionally conservative voters have never been that interested in foreign intervention, the major wars involving American soldiers have been led by progressives (starting with Wilson in WWI, WWII & Vietnam). Gulf War II and the current disaster that is American foreign policy (bringing freedom and democracy to the world) has been a consequence of the neocons longstanding ambitions. The American administration has recently turned on them and the neocon Victoria Nuland has been given the road, though Anthony Blinken is still there. There are no votes to be had by any political party sending American troops to confront Russia and having to tell the American public that your administration squandered billions in American wealth with no upside, that ain't going to fly. The pointing at Trump and the GOP is just a diversion by the current American and European administrations setting up their alibis for their failure by scapegoating another party.

People calling for more intervention and more attacks are calling for the acceleration of the current WWIII. Be careful what you are asking for, it might be you or your relatives on the eastern front. This wars can end this year, if they do then so much the better. Politics being what it is, the GOP can claim they stopped the Democrats wasting American taxpayers money. Democrat administration not willing to be associated with the loss have every incentive to keep the wars going this side of the election, the next administration can be blamed.

If the war does not end this year, it will culminate in much greater loss of men and material by 2027 when all sides (that includes us here in Ireland) have exhausted their resources and agree to compromise. The final phase of the previous world wars (I & II) direct fighting only lasted about 4 to 5 years.

Russia did not simply come in and assert a grip on anything. What they did was they identified certain fractures in the social fabric of western countries, certain points of discontent and then spread disinformation which has amplified them via malcontents and mouthpieces who are mostly protected by the tenet of freedom of speech. The result of this would be (Russia and China hope) that western democracies are too busy in-fighting to provide effective and sustained opposition to whatever moves they make.

Liberal democracy requires work to maintain and consistent principles to maintain its integrity. One is that there must be a sense of civic responsibility that prioritises the common good over individual gain and individual expression and that's something we've badly lost sight of. It's why social media companies have for so long gladly helped spread disinformation because of the potential profit and don't care if the world burns because of it.

@Pa ElGrande

It should be obvious to you by now that there is no mood among large swathes of the American or European electorate for war, especially for loser wars.

This is a truism. It's always been the case that a country will want prosperity and peace over bloody war and will only change stance when they believe the risk-reward ratio to be high enough. The trouble with this is that a steadfast policy of peace leads to appeasement of aggressors and only a postponement of direct confrontation.

So if, for the sake of argument, we see Russia eventually conquer Ukraine and begin to agitate the Baltics with Chinese backing in 5 or 10 years time, will that be the red line, or will people in the West say, "You know, that's really more of a Baltic problem…", and you could go down the line with that until the forces are on your own border all because each individual country wanted just a few days more peace…

People don't need to call for direct intervention, but the policy of giving Ukraine the aid it needs to defend its territory makes perfect sense to put Russia back in its box and China along with them.

Things must be looking up a little bit for Russia in their war if you are posting again after quiet period!

You are using some very strange and awkward terms like the "European Administrations" and the "European Electorate", but that is a lecture about state of US internal politics, how politicians and the electorate are tired of wars around the world now (bless!).

You try to shoe-horn Europe into it somehow but it does not fit well. Do you live here I wonder? Ukraine is in Europe and results for Europe (EU and also Ireland) of any Russian success/Ukrainian loss are different (and alot more ugly) vs those for the US.

Anyway unfortunately for us, little evidence Putin and the Russian leadership is tiring of wars yet.

Refusing to aid Ukraine any further supposedly to save US$ and urging them to just get it all over with and surrender seems unlikely to me to reduce Russia's appetite for starting wars and usher in peace in Europe. It only takes one to wage a war, if you just refuse to fight at all, you can still be a victim.

Whatever about the US, there is really no way out for Europe of spending far more money on war (militaries and weapons) now and suffering the pain from that, whether that it is continuing to aid Ukraine as much as possible in present and/or rearming back to end of Cold War levels.

German news station NTV Nachrichten talks about a 3rd Patriot system, taken from Luftwaffe stocks and available almost immediately. To me, this reads as a full battery, i.e. radar, command post, generator and multiple launchers. Previous Patriot batteries handed over to Ukraine contained 6 launchers, each with four launch cells, so I’d suspect this is a similar case.

https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Deutschland-liefert-weiteres-Patriot-System-an-Kiew-article24871109.html

From what I’ve been able to glean, the term “Fire Unit” (Feuereinheit in German) that was used in the press release is Bundeswehr parlance for the smallest tactical unit of any particular system that is required for said system to operate effectively. Boris Pistorius, Germany’s minister of defence, has served in the Bundeswehr, in a Gepard AAA unit no less, so it would make sense for him to fall back on terms that he’s used to.