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Iran has come out of the shadows and attacked Israel directly. **Read OP before posting**

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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,407 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The Canadian embassy thats not in use and had a few windows blown out? It was not "also attacked" by Israel, implying it was targeted for attack. It was damaged in the blast from the attack on the actual target. Where is your proof it was targeted for attack?

    Do you think the Iranian consulate was hosting a meeting to discuss a joint order for stationary?

    Where was the chapter and verse for your claim about their protected status? So what convention are you basing your claim on?

    Its behind a paywall but according to this Economist article:

    There are exceptions to inviolability under international law, too. The Vienna Convention only refers to the responsibilities of the host state, but says nothing about a third-party attack. Also, under the laws of armed conflict, embassies lose their protections if they are used for military purposes. That may mean that the recent strike on Iran’s consulate in Damascus was legal.

    https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2024/04/09/why-are-embassies-supposed-to-be-inviolable

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 51,758 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    As i told you before Sean, the Israel actions against the Palestinian people ie letting settlers steal their land, treating Palestinians as 'human animals, locking children up without trial, murdering people etc etc is the cause of all the trouble. And you know this but choose to ignore all Israel's crimes. Maybe some day they'll try being nice to their neighbours. Israel and Iran used to be the best of pals until 1979. Iran was one of the first countries to recognise Israel as a country too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,035 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Exactly. They gave almost a weeks notice that they were going to respond by striking Israel, and even warned civilian aviation in the region & warned their neighbours in advance of the action.

    Nothing more than a "look what we can do", not an attempt to actually hit anything. The fact that 7 missiles got through despite all that warning and intervention from US, UK, France, Jordan, Saudi Arabia et al is worrying though for Israel. The public's idea that they are untouchable because of the dome and other defences has been diminished.



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 76,135 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Zechariah Shallow Gypsy threadbanned



  • Registered Users Posts: 51,758 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭cheezums


    No one talking about genocide and dead aid workers today and the liberal west rowing in behind Israel and berating Iran for destabilizing the region. No mention of the attack on the embassy from anyone. You know, the attack against international law that Iran was directly responding to, with a measured and telegraphed attack and a statement that there would be no more.

    mission accomplished from Israel. Masterful. And all it cost was a genuine potential for WW3. AH well. we had a good run.



  • Registered Users Posts: 51,758 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




  • Registered Users Posts: 9,443 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    Perhaps the 7 missiles got through because they sent all the slow moving drones to keep iron dome busy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 51,758 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    And who trained the Savak death squads? A crowd very good at murdering ….. Mossad.



  • Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭cheezums


    that's bullshit. it was a quote from last night from some official, before the US calmed them down.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 82,411 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    so instead of citing the conventions themselves you’re going off some US article. Biased source under the circumstance.

    “Targeted” or not Canadas embassy was attacked and damage and is sovereign Canadian territory.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,411 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    war mongers. They should be waging elections, not wars.



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 76,135 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Guilderstern threadbanned



  • Registered Users Posts: 753 ✭✭✭concerned_tenant




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    okay my mistake no need for the bad language i'll remove. 👌



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,367 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    UNSC meeting now, being covered by Al Jazeera, for those who wish to watch.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,411 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    it’s not an either or, and if you were being honest, you entirely know that.

    Bibi’s government was under deep scrutiny and he was under criminal investigation a year ago. Nothing to wonder about why he wants to plunge Israel into breathless warfare, or why he chose to attack a consulate immediately following critical losses of international and domestic support. Sure attacking the Embassy and provoking Iran to respond was great craic for getting the Israeli election protests out of the news cycle.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,407 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I'll ask you again:

    Where was the chapter and verse for your claim about their protected status? So what convention are you basing your claim on?

    It seems a bad faith argument to demand "chapter and verse" from others of a standard you do not attempt to provide yourself.

    I have no reason to doubt the content of the Economist article.

    And here is the New York Times along similar lines:

    Diplomatic buildings are entitled to broad protections from attack or other interference by the host country under international customary law, codified in the 1961 Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations and the 1963 Convention on Consular Relations… But while those rules of diplomatic relations are a bedrock principle of international law, they actually have little force in the case of the Damascus bombing, experts say, because they only refer to the responsibilities of the “receiving State” — in this case, Syria — and say nothing about attacks by a third state on foreign territory.

    An embassy can lose those protections, however, if it is used for a military purpose, as is true of schools, homes, and other civilian buildings during wartime.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/02/world/europe/interpreter-israel-syria-embassy.html

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 938 ✭✭✭boetstark


    What about when those Republican sympathisers in dublin attacked and burnt the British embassy



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,411 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    you’re answering a question with a question. That’s bad faith argument.

    Again you aren’t citing the convention just an American source with a bias against Iran in this case.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,407 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The question is directly related to the original claim made.

    I've cited two reputable news outlets, you have no real response to the content of the articles except in one case to say it is an American source.

    And you aren't citing the convention either. You haven't even said which convention you are basing your claim on. So it is an entirely reasonable question to ask what the 'convention' you are basing your claim on says about their use for military purposes?

    At this stage, you've provided exactly nothing of substance to support either your claim or refute the content of the two cited news articles. Your claims have no credibility, and you demand a level of proof from other posters you yourself does not even attempt to provide.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭cheezums


    does anyone actually believe the embassy was harboring the architects of the Oct 7 attack? Israel want a war with Iran to distract from their genocide and bring their US handlers fully on board. They are that psychotic. And they are going to possibly start WW3.



  • Registered Users Posts: 753 ✭✭✭concerned_tenant


    With a bias against Iran?

    The theocratic fascist entity that governs the country — against its own people, as well as to the region at large?

    For sure, I'm against such a fascist state structure that has openly called for the the state of Israel to be wiped from the map.



  • Registered Users Posts: 373 ✭✭Rugbyf565


    Hamas are criminals but you have to understand that they’re a product of the effects of consistent historical colonisation and repression of their people and land. Being forced from your home in the middle of the night would radicalise anyone. So naturally you feel a bit more sympathy for them than for the Israeli state who are bankrolled by the billions by the Americans and Brits.



  • Registered Users Posts: 845 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    Iran is a constant threat to Israel. Iran are behind Hamas, Houthis and Hezbollah. They deserve plenty more smacks in the mouth. I have zero sympathy for Iran.



  • Registered Users Posts: 580 ✭✭✭batman75


    Iran had clear grounds to launch the attack on Israel. In the end it was powder puff stuff but it probably allows the regime tell it's people look we attacked them like we said we would. I would have preferred that hadn't attacked Israel as it won't bring back the men lost in the Damascus attack by Israel and it allows Netanyahu to play the victim. Look my poor little country has been attacked by the big bully Iran. All this diverting attention away from Gaza and the genocide there.

    Netanyahu has belatedly realised he can't defeat Hamas. The attack on the Iranian consulate has achieved it's desired response from Iran. They would have been better keeping their powder dry and let Israel continue to cut it's own throat. It looks like Netanyahu is under pressure from his cabinet to respond. If he does, despite calls from the US not too, it should wake Biden up to the reality that Netanyahu feels he has the US by the short and curlies.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,695 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    This may seem like a small thing to choose as being odd but it has bothered since the wires and News networks starting reporting it. The total number of weapons launched by Iran, versus the Israeli claim that less than 1% made it through.

    Now, this really is pedantry on my part but, Israel has said 331 weapons were launched by Iran, multiple sources claim that 7 missiles evaded air defences and hit Israel, is a touch over 2.1% it's such an immediately apparent error, yet no news network has queried it.

    Regardless of my pedantic musing, Israel would have gained a great degree of confidence in their layered AD last night. Granted the volume of targets that entered the Israeli ADZ was whittled down by US, UK & French shooting down Drones and Cruise Missiles over Iraq and Syria, as well as any taken care of by Jordanian forces and/or Israeli aircraft operating over Jordan. The volume of targets that came danger close was certainly reduced by western action.

    It paints a stark picture of what more air defence units sent to Ukraine could provide there. Its easy to preach from our neutral corner of the world but, the west really does need to afford Ukrainian (& Palestinian) lives the same value it places upon Israeli ones



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,411 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    reputable to whom?

    you aren’t citing the convention you claim permitted the attack on the consulate. You’re simply regurgitating Google-fu from secondary sources of bias. There is nothing in the Vienna convention that states it’s okay to attack a consulate in XYZ circumstances. It does however state the inviolability of the premises and the people inside:

    https://legal.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/conventions/9_2_1963.pdf



  • Registered Users Posts: 82,411 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Then clearly you understand why they are less than useful to be cited here for their conjecture on what is and isn’t allowed under international law. Thanks.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    take this or leave it

    #BREAKING Hebrew Channel 14: The cabinet decided to attack Iran tonight



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