Croatians attacked in Dublin, one man dead - read OP before posting

To a certain degree I'd agree that it is what violent thugs do.

But I think it's also quite untrue, and convenient for some, to portray these kind of crimes as happening in a bubble.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-48692863

If it looked very much that a man was beaten to death in Dublin recently for being gay or disabled, there'd be national outrage, because we're now highly intolerant of discrimination on the grounds of homosexuality or disability. 30-40 years ago that wouldn't, especially in the case of homophobia, have been the case.

Not to say it doesn't happen, but we don't see anywhere near the same levels of explicit abuse of other minority groups, because broader society is now so intolerant of it. When it comes to race and immigration these thugs are emboldened because they're well aware many will turn a blind eye, and some will even encourage it, though perhaps not directly. 'Ah sure, there's too many of them it was bound to happen' etc.

another serious assault today near to the same general area of the first assault. Man in serious condition in Tallaght hospital.

I’ve read some stupid **** on this website, but that’s right up with the best of it. Utter drivel 🤡

Article in the independent today, pretty scary stuff. Will be interesting to see what else emerges but it sounds like they must have some kind of suspects.

Josip Strok (31) and his friend were attacked by four men as they walked through Clondalkin, in the west of the city, shortly after 10pm on Saturday, March 30. He died in hospital from head injuries on April 3

Before the attack, it is alleged a group of teenagers, who overheard the victim and his friend speaking Croatian, began to racially abuse them, shouting at them that they “should speak in English in this country”, and other taunts.

It is suspected the teens then put out a message, either on social media or a private messaging group, about their interaction with the Croatian men and their whereabouts.

It is understood that after this communication, a man who has already been identified by gardaí as a “far-right figure” arrived to the area with three other men.

Mr Strok and his friend were then viciously beaten, and Mr Strok was subsequently rushed to hospital with catastrophic head injuries.

A source said: “It is being investigated as a potential hate crime."

The Black & Tans would be proud of those little cúnts

Yeah, or the fact that you're likely to get a bottle across the head and then stamped on for as much as looking at them sidewards, but tell us how you'd put manners on them.....

Harris and McEntee (with the DPP) have emasculated the Gardai and handed the power to the scumbags…

Look at the Gard up on charges for doing his job. It’s no wonder morale is on the floor.

Its completely reliant on the home environment. Those people who hard a hard start, but had parents/grandparents/family/wider circle who didn't stand for the bad behaviour, usually do ok for themselves.

on the other hand, those with a hard start who have absolutely no-one in their home environment to encourage good behaviour, or encourage schoolwork/ other work, they have such a small chance of ever breaking away from that cycle.

while I believe crime should be punished, & those that commit crimes shouldn't be allowed more then a couple of times to make mistakes, I think having influence on these kids earlier in life and encouraging them and showing them another life, would make a big difference. Would it work for them all? Not at all, but it definitely would for some.

What seems worse is the silence about this murder from mainstream society. They don't seem to care. Where's the anger?

I had initially put it down to scum being scum, but that steps it up to another level. Online shite hawking is now inspiring premeditated xenophobic attacks, even murder.

We are saying the evidence to date indicates this is a racist hate crime

you're responding to a brand new account trying to say the fact they're foreign had nothing to do with it. i think there's a lot of people out there very annoyed at the fact they were attacked for being foreign because it makes the anti-immigrant campaign look bad.

the people creating division and hate might be the ones beating foreigners to death, just a hunch i have

The prime suspect is one of the "leaders" in the clondalkin racist campaigns against immigrants and was also involved in the protests in naas recently.

So this is very much a race/hatred/xenophobic murder in that the ONLY reason the person was targeted was because he did not speak English. The "anti-immigrant" protests are full of these hatred spouting uneducated scum and it will see a generation of hatred spewing little scumbags coming into society as these protests are "body filled" with children who see this as normal and will grow up with the same rhetoric as they are seeing.

They're also "both-sidesing" over in the Russia thread so they're being really efficient with their fresh account.

This.

The Coolock protest was being led by a well known criminal and drug lord but this was ignored by all those posting about it from the anti immigration side.

Many of the ordinary local people in the areas where those protests were, no matter if they agreed that the centres should not be used for asylum seekers , were repulsed by the carryon of a lot of those travelling to protest and did not take part further after the initial protest , if at all.

It was said by those locals in Roscrea Drogheda and Coolock quite clearly that they did not want 'that sort' protesting with them

However very difficult to keep it civil if there are state forces eg AGS , TDs on side keeping control .

There are a hard core of very extreme and violent people drumming up the actions of youths particularly via Telegram etc to engage violently and abusively and up the ante just for the hell of it .

Many of the hard core are the same people who post youtube , face book and X videos constantly, filled with hate about any migrant or our democratically elected TDs who don't toe the line and agree with their bile .

The same " citizen journalists " who have bullied pharmacists and their staff during Covid anti vaccination so called protests , bullied women going in to abortion clinics or hospitals , library workers over trans or LGBTQ books ..

These people are not engaged in peaceful positive action protests .

They are a malign influence

I don't know if going easy on these types is a good thing .

Maybe it's time the instigators and organisers were targeted by AGS after all .

Constantly linking immigrants to criminality is an out and out racist act. The same people never want to discuss the 99% of immigrants who are not criminals and living decent lives and raising families, nor discuss the good things they might be doing in the community - their sole fixation is on immigration and criminality.