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UK Used Car Import - Query

  • 15-04-2024 9:14pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭techman


    Hello,

    On a used car import from the UK, are the Customs Duty and VAT a percentage of the paid price for the car?

    Or is it a percentage of Revenue's own valuation?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭swoofer


    I am just passing through here but you are way off beam, when you import a used car from the UK ensure its more than 6 months old and then you pay VRT and some NOX fees plus when you take it to NCT some cost for tyres under EMC.

    There used to be a link explaining all the ins and outs Do a google, if its less than 6 months old it will cost more than if you bought here.

    You can get a rough VRT figure on Revenue website but do your research.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,363 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    It's based off the invoice price including transport costs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,704 ✭✭✭User1998


    2020 called. The rules have changed since then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭techman


    Hello,

    Yes, I know about the total VRT charge - CO2 & NOX Levy.

    It's the changes since Jan 1 2021 (on importing a used car, not of UK origin, from the UK) that I am not familiar with.

    1. Customs Duty - when and how do you do a Customs Declaration? Can you do it yourself or do you have to use a Customs Agent? Do you pay the Customs Duty and VAT before you drive the car into Ireland?
    2. VAT - again at what stage do you pay it - before you collect the car in the UK or arrival at the port i.e. customs?

    Thanks for the replies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭mcw92


    https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving-country/moving-to-ireland/coming-to-live-in-ireland/importing-car-into-ireland/ For Customs anyways:

    "You must pay the customs charge at the time the vehicle arrives in Ireland from Great Britain. This means you have to declare the vehicle with customs when you are entering Ireland or Northern Ireland at the ferry port. If you are importing the car using a shipping company, the shipping company should arrange the customs declaration and charge."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭jeremyr62


    What constitutes an invoice is a question I would have. Say you buy a vehicle from a private seller in the UK, does a hand written invoice signed by Joe Bloggs satisfy Revenue? What's to stop an unscrupulous buyer writing their own invoice for less than what they actually paid?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,363 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Well I'd imagine if someone rocked up with a low invoice figure for a car with a higher market value then it would raise suspicion with Revenue and draw closer scrutiny, questions and proof. I'd doubt it would be the first attempted scheme Revenue would encounter at their desk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭swoofer


    Wow I'm glad I happened on this thread. Last time I brought a car from UK was 2008 and it was easy peasy apart from wrong VRT valuation initially but got refunded. I have read through the link above twice and still confused but it appears that if I was to import a VW T-roc more than 6 months old from UK it could easily be cheaper to buy here.

    VAT 23%, VRT 25% of OMSP, NOX CHARGE, then Customs Charge = am I dreaming? Tell me I have misread something!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,704 ✭✭✭User1998


    Correct. You can’t import from UK anymore. Try Northern Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭jeremyr62


    I agree for cars, but for other vehicle types I bet Revenue wouldn't have a clue regarding values. Motorcycles for example.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭mcw92


    They will just do a comparisons of what an equivalent bike goes for in Ireland today.

    You can do the same to counter if you believe they have estimated too high.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,704 ✭✭✭User1998


    Incorrect. Import duty is based on the invoice selling price. It has nothing to do with the value of something in Ireland. Revenue don’t even see or look at the invoice you submit. My customs broker has my UK cars cleared within 5 minutes of me sending him the documents. He just inputs the figures from the invoice into his Revenue system and it generates a SAD document.

    With Japanese cars you sometimes need to provide further proof, such as a screenshot of the auction sale price or screenshot of the transfer amount that matches the amount on the invoice. But even still I have bought cars from Japan with broken engines for as little as €200 that are worth €10,000 here and no questions were asked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭jeremyr62


    Well if I understand it right the VAT is calculated on the invoice price + transport + insurance. I still don’t get what’s to stop me buying a bike for example in the UK privately, writing my own invoice for a few grand less and letting them calculate the VAT on that. I release this is fraudulent and I am not suggesting anyone do this but it seems a biggish loophole to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,704 ✭✭✭User1998


    Nothing is stopping you. Its called under invoicing. Its a common practice all over the world. My friend worked in a multinational company in Ireland who would export steel to foreign countries and provide them with under valued invoices all the time, saving their clients thousands in import costs.

    If you buy a car from Japan they will provide you with a lower invoice too if you want it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,013 ✭✭✭Allinall




  • Posts: 4,186 ✭✭✭ Kali Massive Noblewoman


    Nothing is stopping you, the VRT on bikes is not calculated by value it's calculated by CC and it's never remotely expensive. The last bike I brought in was a 800cc Ducati that was a few years old and the VRT wasn't even 200 quid I don't think.

    The VAT will be done on the invoice, I doubt a receipt from a second hand seller would be accepted.

    Easier just to import bikes from Germany now, although NI is chock full of them so that's also an option.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,704 ✭✭✭User1998


    I didn’t say otherwise. Never did it myself. Not worth it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭jeremyr62


    I have no questions about VRT. MY only query is about the VAT calculation.

    There is no law against purchasing vehicles from second hand sellers in a foreign country afaik. I don't see how they cannot accept a receipt from a private seller.



  • Posts: 4,186 ✭✭✭ Kali Massive Noblewoman


    Common sense would apply, if you come with some ridiculous receipt they will spot it, they aren't thick. You could knock maybe 5 - 7 hundred off it I'd say.

    You are hardly the first person to think of this, they clearly check the market value



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,704 ✭✭✭User1998


    Nobody said theres a law against it. The VRT centre has always accepted hand written receipts from private sellers. The payment of VAT is no different.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭techman


    Hello,

    Importing a used car from the UK from a dealer.

    1. Does his invoice have to show a VAT amount?
    2. Do I need a Certificate of Conformity? It's 10 plus year old car, VW. The V5C shows the CO2 and NOX.

    Thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,704 ✭✭✭User1998


    No and no



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