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Universal Free School meals

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    My kids school they use compostable cardboard box which gets recycled



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    A teacher friend told me one of her students was regularly showing up to school with a McDonalds burger as lunch. Just the burger from the eurosaver menu in its wrapper. That parent took the time to go to McDonalds and buy the burger instead of using that same time to make a sandwich for the same net cost. Tusla should be called in these scenarios.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Excellent. That meal provider should be used as the standard bearer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,489 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    Same here, i assume its the same crowd countrywide doing it. Was impressed by that. I'd rather my taxes spent on feeding kids a decent warm meal than overpaid politicians with their fat pensions, though they'll get those too!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 892 ✭✭✭doc22


    This isn' the past, those at the very bottom dependent on social welfare recieve the guts of 80 euro a week to feed a child compared to 20 years ago you might of got 30.

    Well It's not FREE someones paying for this through tax, spreading the burden of feeding doctors children to those on low pay or without children is hardly a selling point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,798 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Tusla should be called because the child eats burgers?

    😕



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Would you feed your child a mcdonalds burger for lunch every day of the week?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,489 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    Reminds me of the documentary when Jamie Oliver was doing school lunches in a school in the UK. Some parents were throwing over the fence bags of McDonalds food to their kids to eat instead of the healthy food he was preparing with the lunch lady there, just mind blowing. I wouldn't believe it only it was filmed.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,009 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    How can anyone see this as a bad idea.

    With the cost of living in some cases working parents are living paycheck to paycheck.

    Some parents care more about drink and drugs and how often do Tulsa take kids off them.

    If we can put immigrants up in hotels and give them 3 meals a day surely we can provide irish kids a meal.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,798 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    What I feed my child is absolutely none of your business. That's a core point in this. But that's not what you stated. So lets bring back those goal posts.

    A teacher friend told me one of her students was regularly showing up to school with a McDonalds burger as lunch

    Tusla are not there to micro manage the contents of every child in the states lunches, they can barely do their actual job as is.

    The school will or least should have a policy on acceptable foods, if burgers are not banned then it's none of Karens business.

    Personally I don't like fast food, but the reality is the nutritional content of that burger in all likelihood exceeds the child sitting beside them eating heavily processed cheese goop and crackers. Should Tusla be called for them too?

    Either way it's a mental notion to get in Tusla over some burgers and is epic world class curtain twitching.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Safe to assume you don't feed your child a fast food burger every single day for lunch so. And quite rightly so. Its disgraceful parenting.

    Teachers have enough to be doing without micro managing the contents of every child's lunchbox on a daily basis. However if they notice that a child is routinely showing up to school with a lazy and irresponsible excuse for a lunch then I personally don't see why that can't be notified to Tusla, who could then send targeted information to those parents to try and educate them on the value of good nutrition.

    Notifying Tusla doesn't mean they have to swoop in and take the child out of the control of the parents.

    Or we just leave things as is, and let the parents continue to malnourish their kids.



  • Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 11,157 Mod ✭✭✭✭MarkR


    Lovely idea, but can't see how it could be rolled out nationally with the massive differences in facilities. Most schools don't seem to have room to swing a cat, having classes in sports halls in some cases. So now they'll need a cooking area and seating for the kids?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,798 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Why are you continuing to move the goal posts? Can you not stand by your original story?

    It's not up to teachers to micro manage school lunches either, like I said the school BOM will have a policy. I also suggest they may not have the time to report a child to the welfare agency for eating a burger, nor would they like the reply I'd suggest. But again, what if the nutritional value of that burger exceeds processed cheese goop a different child eats every day?

    Tusla too I guess if you are being consistent?



  • Registered Users Posts: 892 ✭✭✭doc22


    A teacher gossiping to friends about a childs lunch is in no way acceptabe. As long as the child is happy it's none of their business.

    Reporting to Tusla over eating a burger.🤡



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,998 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    I think the person should report this teacher friend of theirs to the school BOM and Department of Education for gossiping about kids.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,125 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Children also need sleep and clothing.

    Are schools also going to provide dormitories and free clothing?



  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭redlough


    Yes they can, its called a boarding school

    But no idea what it has to do with the discussion and not sure why we need to reduce the thread to the ridiculous statements



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,998 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Well I am aware of some schools who help parents out with uniforms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,686 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    If she reported the burger kid to randos and not the authorities let’s call this a nothing burger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,686 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    No tax on clothes

    Child allowance

    Sleep and being dressed are both things you do before school. But sure yeah schools should have a nap on the schedule.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,949 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Kitchen, food prep, food storage, refrigeration, waste disposal, staff rest and changing facilities etc… canteen where food is eaten….even before the burgeoning population increases there is no way this could be done in the vast majority of schools… thinking of my primary and secondary there is nowhere to do this.

    gyms won’t be appropriate as the majority of modern facilities in schools these days have modern commercial grade bespoke rubber gym flooring or smooth varnished wooden flooring that won’t stand up to the constant arrival and departure of hundreds of students every day and tables and chairs being dragged over them, food being dropped. Constantly being washed / cleaned and sanitised.. bad enough some are being used as classrooms now. Does each student need trainers ?

    the vast majority of schools would need separate capital investment just to make it work. A lot even if money was available, the space wouldn’t be.

    its ridiculous. Forever, parents just got on with feeding their kids, because they were responsible and having food in their kids belly was an important thing, a responsibility, their responsibility . Now it seems the taxpayers and schools should pay a part in feeding them… no.

    way to go, more woke politics now where parents are all but absolved of their responsibility to feed their kids now…. What a time to be alive, not.

    Schools are educational facilities, full stop, not social or general welfare and wellbeing portals. Schools are built to…. E D U C A T E



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Where do children eat their lunch ATM? The same place where they'll eat the new school meal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,910 ✭✭✭SteM


    Our young lad eats his lunch at his desk in class and then they go out to play. That'd be a non-runner with hot food. There is no designated area for them to eat their lunch and that's in a brand new school.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,798 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    You seem very emotional about this.

    Your kids don't need to partake, it's not mandatory that they eat the provided meal. If this actually ends up happening.

    When I was in school we had a milk and drinkable yoghurt programme. I suppose that was woke too was it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,606 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    The photo in the Irish Times article seemed to show plastic boxes. I really hope they are being reused, and not pushed for recycling.


    'Compostable' doesn't necessarily mean composted, particularly if there are large quantities of such materials. You'd need to be sure that these actually end up being composted before giving this approval.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,949 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Not emotional about it at all, simply my considered opinion about it..

    being handed a drink isn’t the same as being provided with catered lunches… bizarre really that you willingly equate the two. :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,798 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Typing in caps and shouting "woke" is hyper emotional.

    Milk and yogurt are also type of food, they were given for a reason.

    Strange you can't equate the 2. 😕

    Either way your kids don't have to partake.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Ultimate Gowlbag


    so much wrong with this post,there doesnt need to be any kitchens or facilities etc built

    many many schools already have hot food for years now,the child chooses from a menu and it gets delivered every day....look up freshtoday.ie as one business that provides this!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,625 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    If people watched the news yesterday they will see the meals get delivered each day fresh in containers.


    The kids eat at their desk then dispose of the waste.

    No need for canteens, prep areas etc etc.

    If they can do it in 1600 “disadvantaged area” schools they can do it in every school.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,625 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,606 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Some of the news coverage mentioned the requirement for ovens to heat up the meals, some of which are currently in corridors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭Notmything


    Is there nothing that you cannot find fault with?

    Fwiw I work in the area of family support. The number of children that go to school hungry on a daily basis is scary. Likewise the number that don't get at least one hot meal a day.

    We can argue the rights and wrongs about parenting and money but the reality is why should we continue to allow children to go hungry because of circumstances they cannot control.

    I am closely involved with a family resource centre, every day the children who attend it's after-school program get a fresh cooked meal, for many this is the only proper meal they get. And evidence shows that while its sad we have to have such programs, they do work.

    How people can have an issue with children getting fed in school is beyond me. The schools I would work with that provide these meals, do their best to provide healthy meals within a budget that can be as little as a euro a day per child.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,949 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    It’s really not… that you equate the two is quite bizarre. That you think the use of capital letters indicates ’ shouting ‘… you are hyper exaggerating and being hyper disingenuous now im afraid….

    as pointed out schools will need facilities and staff..

    keep the taxpayers dosh for more valuable initiatives…. Parents, parent and ensure your kids have something to eat. Happened successfully for years… it’s not difficult.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,798 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    keep the taxpayers dosh for more valuable initiatives

    Well I am a taxpayer, glad to give it to feed hungry children.

    Shouting about wokism on the internet isn't going to make them any less hungry is it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭Notmything


    Thing is it hasn't happened successfully for years, children have gone malnourished for decades.



  • Registered Users Posts: 225 ✭✭voldejoie


    Even if the parents are mishandling their income, the child shouldn't go hungry or suffer as a result. And tbh the idea of "mishandling" would be more of an argument against something like increased child benefit, or some other way of paying more money to parents directly. This is a practical support that will guarantee a certain baseline for all children, whether their parents can't or won't put any effort into feeding them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 225 ✭✭voldejoie


    No, because it will be universal. Clue is in the name.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭Notmything


    There's an argument that giving vouchers/coupons instead of money will mean no more spending child benefit on smokes or booze.

    In reality the likelihood is those vouchers will be traded for money at below face value so even less will be spent on children.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,125 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    If you are providing family support, and the families still aren't managing to feed their kids, then it sounds like you are not doing your job correctly.

    While it's great that you are feeding them, what you are really doing is removing the responsibility from the parents - who are still getting the child benefit which is intended to help them care for the kids. What is that money being used for? What are the kids learning about family life, and food?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭Notmything


    You really have no idea about the reality for a lot of families.

    If you're low paid faced with climbing rents, electricity and heating gone through the roof then you have less money for other things. Government payments have helped but its a plaster on a bigger wound.

    Not everyone is on welfare you know,or getting rent support. For many families just knowing that their children are getting fed in school/after-school is a huge support and means they have that tiny bit extra to get by on.

    But hey you keep going on that soap box blaming families and typecasting everyone so you can feel good about the vitriol you post here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,686 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    gyms won’t be appropriate as the majority of modern facilities in schools these days have modern commercial grade bespoke rubber gym flooring or smooth varnished wooden flooring that won’t stand up to the constant arrival and departure of hundreds of students every day and tables and chairs being dragged over them, food being dropped. Constantly being washed / cleaned and sanitised.. bad enough some are being used as classrooms now. Does each student need trainers ?

    I laughed at this a little because that's exactly where the hot food vendor was at St Flannans in Ennis. Upstairs off the end of the basketball/gymnasium court. Served hot soup and sandwiches. Don't see much of a problem with that either, it was multifunction to begin with, theres a stage on the other side.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,686 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Focusing on all the wrong things here. What, you think if a parent is malnourishing their child already, that continuing to not give them a meal at school, or worse pulling their existing meals from school, is going to magically right the wrong? You want to abuse the child to spite the parents? Walk me through your logic, the actions and all the consequences because it sounds like you're thinking how dare family support services feed the hungry. And I don't get it at all. Also seems incongruent with The Family Clause of the Irish Constitution. The alternatives are not to starve the child or orphan the child? If you think you can do better to correct disordered parents to be better parents then perhaps you should consider enlisting in family support services.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1 Donnchadh2024


    Reading through the comments there is a lot of nonsense being talked about this.

    health food and eating are core

    https://assets.gov.ie/128268/d07bed24-dd1d-4055-8ced-5e381621ca65.pdf

    It is to address a range of education and health issues and has been very successful

    https://assets.gov.ie/251427/6b3e8499-4cca-4f32-aa7d-cbcad0b660e2.pdf



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭mohawk


    I am a bit torn here because increasingly the state is inserting itself into the role of the parent. However, there is no denying that lots of children are not getting proper meals at home.

    If it means children that are not getting adequate nutritional food now get a proper meal that it’s probably for the best. Sadly there is no solution to unsuitable people having children so society has to step in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,125 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    So we need to build dormitories so the kids can get sleep, and wardrobes so they can get adequate clothing and shoes too.

    Because you can guarantee that parents who cannot manage food cannot manage sleep or clothing either.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,625 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    These meals aren’t even aimed at disadvantaged schools or kids anymore.


    They are now been rolled out to every school even schools in well off areas, so the theory of feeding kids who’s parlays won’t bother goes out the window.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭drury..


    I don't expect more from you but I don't believe that's true

    I did the whole manchester national school and hot meals was a great job

    Sure how would parents be providing hot dinners for school



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,829 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    I went to school in the North and free school meals were always a thing for eligible kids. I'm presuming it's still the case but it never really seemed to cause much of an issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,836 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    In most cases the hot, cooked food will be transported to the school, I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,114 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    In our primary school, they installed big ovens to heat the food. A section of the hall was sectioned off into a new room to house them. A new hall is due to be built this summer, and the current hall demolished and new classrooms constructed, so I assume this is a temporary arrangement. The ovens were installed over the Easter holiday, and the meals started when the kids went back last week. It's been a success so far from what my kids tell me, although it hasn't reduced the amount I'm making for their lunches, as they see it as extra food.

    I was talking to another parent in a very small rural school. They got notified that their oven (singular) had arrived over Easter. It seems the company providing the food supplied the oven, but they were waiting on it to be hooked up to the electrical supply. I don't know what part of that school it is housed in.



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