EU Study finds ICE vehicles consume 20% more fuel than advertised

Not just manufacturers. There was a guy on here claiming his 20+ year old Volvo S40 was doing 3.4l/100km.

But yeah, it's long been a problem. You could never match their figures.

Why is this in the EV and Hybrids forum?

Is that not a bit petty?

Is this info released by some EV association to counter anti EV stuff? It must be. It's not news anyway. And the 20 odd per cent variances are not news either.

I've known this to be true since before I was driving myself, my dad told me this as a kid sitting in his Cortina. He told me all about testing in labs, wind tunnels and more. And that out on the road it's way different.

I’m a very occasional visitor to this forum, and to motoring Reddits. Let me assure you though, EV owners trying to justify their purchase with lame gotchas, rabid fanboyism for the car brand they own, and a sort of “techy Deccie” condescending nature does nothing to persuade someone on the fence about EV ownership. Quite the opposite.

of course it is.

Thank you. I've no bother with EVs and would consider one no bother if it suited me.

But Jesus some EV drivers are like green party fanatics. It's essentially still "new" tech to the majority of the population, it's also going to many issues that need tweaking and changing to make it a practical and affordable purchase.

Theres almost an anger with some that people aren't running out and spending a year's salary without a second though on something that might have terrible range and having to readjust your travelling style to accommodate charging times but now the added worries people see about a replacement battery nearly the price of a new car after 10 years and in the last few months the astronomical depreciation costs we are seeing are sending people that were open to them running for the hills.

You've the issues of just how green they are with mineral mining, with just how much fossil fuels will be needed to power the grid, are we just hiding away the pollution if renewables can't 100% power it and we refuse to use nuclear? Now today the media is really hying up Tesla layoffs due to drop in demand. Even if say it's cause people are using other vendors we all know it will just feed negatively to your average consumer.

If EVs are are the future that we've been told, then they will improve naturally and the people will come, you'd be hoping for improved battery tech we are getting promised, prices will come and will have to come down. We'll need to see our €14,000 EV Toyota Yaris equivalent with say 400 mile range in winters night driving conditions as minimum option for example. Batteries that can make say 15 years issue free and a replacement battery for say €2,000 including labour options for your little second hand EV.

Then its time will come for the vast majority.

At the moment it just reads like angry privileged little men going blue in the face.

I don't think there's any ICE drivers who expects to get the advertised mileage. Likewise, EV and Hybrid drivers know they won't get advertised range. Of course it's no surprise. It's not news either.

Literally anyone with a brain could've told you that advertised MPG figures, are, at best, a "best case scenario" in terms of the road conditions, weather, type of driving, speed being driven at etc. etc. Much as EV range figures are.

I think back in 2011 when my Saab was shiny and new, it was quoted as 60mpg on long distance runs. If I drove it only on the motorway for a day, didn't accelerate aggressively ever, changed into 6th at about 80km/h and didn't exceed 100 km/h, it might do 55-56 mpg. Day to day in actual mixed conditions driving, I get 46-47.

My long term average in a now very efficient 1.8F S40 was 7.2l/100km, and the trip computer was very honest about the figure too.

Depending on how I drove my 330e, whether it was charged or not, and the length of the journey, it could do from 0-10[L/100km]

• 15km on battery: 0 [l/100km]
• 200km cross country: 5.6-6.2[l/100km] depending on the day
• 200km cross country: 4.9-5.0[l/100km] driving like a granny
• 1km to the shops with no battery: 10[l/100km]

It's generally accepted that fuel economy figures are heavily dependent on the driver and conditions, the car vs car figure is a rating system to allow drivers to compare vehicles against one another.

I'd love to see how inaccurate BER data is a comparison - now THAT is a misleading to say the least.

This lack of self awareness: "At the moment it just reads like angry privileged little men going blue in the face."

You're so triggered by a thread that's mostly in jest, you just had to come in here and unburden yourself. Hope it worked out for you.

I haven't an ev but am on my 3 Rd hybrid

Previous 2 were v frugal to be fair once driven easy,

First one got 61/2 mpg ( Honda insight 2010)

Second one another insight -53 plus MPG

Latest Suzuki ignis import hybrid not near as efficient at all,

Reckon a diesel would do as good probably better,

Heading back to another Honda( 2012) as soon as my sin passes his test,he's getting little ignis

Beauty about imported jap hybrids I found is reliability,low mileage, higher spec,and generally frugal

Id love something like that but way out of my league financially

Did U move to another hybrid?

Tbank you, great information,

At an age that I'm hopefully winding down ref my decorating days,but still need a car that'll give me decent MPG

Yaris hybrid you mentioned 2.5 ltr hybrid might be one to look at in a few years