What is a woman? **Mod Note In Post #294**

Demanding?

Most trans people don't demand anything. They just would like it if people treated them nicely and respected their choices.

In the real world most people just want to live their lives in peace. If someone looks and acts like a woman, and wants to be referred to as a woman. Just call her a woman.

If someone is being unreasonable or has a personality that you find really grating, you're still entitled to not like them. There are loads of people I don't like, I find them annoying to deal with, but I still treat them with respect when I meet them and don't call them by some nickname that I know will annoy them because that would be a scummy thing to do as an adult dealing with other adults in the real world.

The kinds of people who spend their lives seeking offense and 'feel' that the trans community are making excessive demands of them, are just as obnoxious to me, as the small number of very outspoken 'activists' who are trying to monetise their sexual and gender identity by being as edgy and extreme as they can get away with.

In reality, you might walk past several trans people every time you go anywhere in public, and not even know that they were born a different gender to the one they are displaying in public.

Some of the people who choose to be easily recognised in public as trans, are doing so for their own reasons and if they annoy you, that's ok, but they're not representative of all trans people, just like you shouldn't see a drag queen on television and decide that's what all gay people are like.

How do you transition scientifically? What scientific test can determine your gender? How do I find out what gender I am??

Didn't you ask the scientists when you told them all they were wrong and you were right?

That your stance is one if faith and not science, yes.

Have you ever been defrauded by a trans person?

Here's the thing. If someone asks you to do this, and it helps them feel better in themselves and makes their life easier (which is often the case with gender dysphoria), then why not just be kind and do so regardless of your personal belief? You don't have to. And I don't believe in the hate speech law thing. But honestly, there is no harm to you in doing so and it can help the other person a lot.

Same here, but again this is not something I argued.

The initial point I made was: "Science, though, has developed procedures for transition." (Post #230 and again in post #244) - and it's this point that Tiktok is challenging.

The issues of cis men pretending to be transwomen or even transitioning for the purposes of entering women-only safe spaces - or women's sports events - are serious issues, but not issues I've commented on.

Again, you need to take this up with the scientists who developed the procedures and tell them they're wrong and you're right.

"Scientifically" is doing a LOT of heavy lifting there.

Care to name a scientist who has demonstrated that humans "scientifically" change their gender ?

Are you doing this delierately? I've just told you - literally in the post you replied to - that I only claimed they existed, not that they worked, nor that they were possible or impossible.

Either you've misread my claim AGAIN or you're asking me to prove something "we all know"?

If you're just looking for info, sure - https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dysphoria/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20475262

not sure it matches your criteria because I'm still not completely sure you've actually accepted and understood what I've written.

I’ve quoted exactly what you said

“My point is: transitioning gender is scientifically possible.”

What are the quantifiable scientific parameters of this gender transition, what actually changes?

Doctors cut off a part of you and leave a hole where that part formerly was. That’s it. It hasn’t changed the bone density, hasn’t increased the chances of getting cervical cancer or lessened the chances of getting prostate cancer. It doesn’t widen the hips or birth canal or allow you to carry children or naturally lactate or menstruate.

For example we know that ice can transition to water, or vapour. When it becomes water, it transitions from a solid state to a liquid state, and to vapour it becomes a gas form. Quantifiable changes from its former form. Solid state ice can’t just stay frozen and believe it’s water.

As you said above, belief in sky fairies or gods doesn’t make it real, the same as believing you are a different gender. It’s the exact same principle.

Again no its not, the percentage of trans people in any community is so small the risk of anything you mentioned happening is miniscule.

Of all the huge issues in this world effecting women, why this one? Why discriminate against trans people? Why do you think all trans women pose a threat to you?

By the way, there are absoluetly people that will cry heresy if you tell them your religious beliefs dont match theirs, the same way there are people that wont call you a bigot based on your belief. They may call out bigoted behaviour however.

Is Barbie a woman if she has no foofph??

"I dont want to share toilet/dressing rooms or a sporting field with them" That there literally is discrimination, its also bigotry.

A woman is someone who doesn't have a Y chromosome unless they have Swyer syndrome.

Well in that case, Mayo Clinic link I posted earlier.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dysphoria/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20475262

Proves you wrong, they do exist.

This is the ONLY claim I made and this is the evidence of proof that the therapies exist you asked for.

The answer to all other questions you asked or are likely to ask is, "I didn't claim that." That or you need to call the Mayo Clinic an pick and tell that you know more about reassigning gender than they do.

Click on the Mayo Clinic link in the previous post for answers to that one.

There is no such thing as "Fully transitioned" as it is not possible to transition, only to partially appropriate some characteristics that look like the opposite sex.

Biological males, no matter what they think of themselves or have done to their bodies through medication or surgery have no business being in any spaces that are reserved for women and girls.

Prof Winston did not say it was possible to scientifically change gender. What he is saying that "gender identity" is merely appearance, not an inherent characteristic in the way that sex is. That's why he has agreed with Kathleen Stock, who also says this, and why TRAs have called him transphobic.

https://www.christian.org.uk/news/professor-winston-abused-online-raising-evidence-transsexualism/

I mean, if you're going to claim he agrees with you, then perhaps you're just more "transphobic" than you realise?

Again: I've answered all these questions or never made the claim you think I made.

I made ONE claim. It exists. I backed it up. To a clinic offering the exact thing I said existed. I really can NOT make this any clearer!!! End of disucssion.

If you want to argue this further, talk about surgery, dispute the results of it, dispute the validty of results, talk about lizards or anything else - then either phone the clinic and take it up with them, or someone else who made the claim you think I made - because I did NOT make or comment on ANY of these topics.

I'm done here.

This toilet obsession is bizarre. Just over 600 trans women legally exist in Ireland. Have you nothing else is life to worry about other than endless obsessing about which toilet that 0.001% of the population use.

You'll see a further post I made where there is a line in specific instances re: changing rooms etc.

Trans women are not women.

If they want to live their lives as women , wear whatever they want and be addressed Ms/Miss etc then fair enough, I'm happy to play along just to be nice to keep them happy within reason like if they don;t get all huffy if you make an innocent mistake and use the wrong pronoun.

However they are not actually women simple as that and if women believe that there should be women only spaces like rape crisis centres, women's refuges, womens sports then that is perfectly reasonable and if trans women want their rights respected they should respect the beliefs of actual women and let them have their own spaces.