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Clontarf to City Centre Cycle & Bus Priority Project discussion (renamed)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,530 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    That guy actually climbed over the fence to walk in the cycle lane.
    And the woman refused to walk on the pedestrian path.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,926 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Not surprised at all, sure there's no paint on the tarmac saying it's a cycle lane, though even if there were it would probably be ignored..

    Those two in the pics would be the first to call "Joe Duffy" complaining about "lawless cyclists!"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,026 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    on the other hand, if you remove the fence you'll have people wandering across the cycle path to get into the park. Some people are just idiots, as the cycle path gets busier hopefully they'll learn not to walk on it. I really think though they should standardise on red tarmac to show the distinction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,530 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Yeah, it’s needs to be a different colour. There are some pretty stupid people out there alright.
    But then people make mistakes too. I often stop when I see an older person, and ask if they’re aware it’s a cycle lane, and it could be dangerous. Just be friendly and helpful to them. That will probably be me someday. 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,530 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Dodder path is great.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 138 ✭✭Kincora2017


    that looks great.
    I personally think they only need to move a very small section of the Fairview Park railing. Where it goes around the tree beside the overpass is genuinely dangerous. Other than that it’s needed to keep those roaming pedestrians in check



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,530 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    DCC engineer said that part is fine. I think there's an unwillingness to accept any kind of design flaws.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 738 ✭✭✭Sir Galahad


    My experience as a motorcyclist and dealing with DCC or Fingal engineers is to make sure they know "you're putting them on notice" of the danger / design flaw. I find that potholes get filled in very quickly when I tell them I put my contacts with them on social media, they know that they're liable if they do nothing after a notification.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,277 ✭✭✭✭Liam O


    I found myself on the cycle lane the other day after crossing the road just from not paying attention. Am a somewhat moany cyclist myself but there is no easy way off it if you've taken any steps before you realise and it is right off the traffic lights. Was late enough and no bike traffic so not too bad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,926 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Anyone who's walked around a Dutch city and stepped into the cycle path would be sure not to make that mistake again..



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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,663 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    It's silly that the fence can't just have small pedestrian gaps in it every so often.

    Phoenix Park used to be the same, the cycle lane was right beside where people would park on Chesterfield Avenue, with only 1 gap in the railing in a 1km stretch.

    So pedestrians would frequently get out of their cars, and would have to walk along the cycle lane because they had no way of getting to the walking path.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,835 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    You see the same happening on Griffith Avenue, but with the grass verge! Folks park their car outside the cycle lane, but then walk a distance in the cycle lane as they don't want to walk on the muddy grass to get to the footpath on a wet day like today.

    Of course all of that could have been simply avoided if they had built a two way cycle lane!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,689 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Funny enough - it could be as simple a thing as having brown tarmac (or cycle path surface) instead of black - i think that in itself would make people more reluctant to walk on it - it makes it obvious- this is not a foot[path.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Isnt it the case that the cycle lane surfaces aren't fully finished yet? The NTA has pretty much stipulated that any new projects involving cycle lanes are required to have red surfacing on the cycle lanes (with some exemptions). Does this project fall under that criteria? Iirc some projects already in the pipeline were able to bypass that requirement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,530 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    DCC engineer mentioned a different colour at conflict points. But it really should all be a totally different colour to the footpath and road to differentiate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,968 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    LoLocal Authorities generally don't like having cycle lanes in a different colour tarmac because it can be quite difficult to do patching or repairs. The coloured tarmac isn't readily available and not worth ordering in small quantities.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,835 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Well someone should have told DCC so when they were doing the Griffith Avenue cycle lane!

    It alternates between two different colours constantly, yellow and red. I think red is supposed to be for junctions, but there are so many junctions and on street parking it ends up mostly just red, which makes the small area of yellow look silly!

    BTW I'm not saying they shouldn't have coloured it, it was definitely needed on Griffith Avenue to try and keep the cars out given that quiet a lot of it has no actual curb or separation from the road!



  • Registered Users Posts: 10 GRUF


    As a transport engineer designing active travel infrastructure, we have now been told that all cycle paths / tracks will now have to be an alternate colour (almost always red). This has been enforced by the NTA, and so local authorities can complain but have to do it. I’m personally in favour of it, it makes it much more obvious.

    As the others said, this rule about red cycle tracks came in too late for C2CC so they are only doing it at the conflict points.
    Also to note, the red colouring can be surfacing or actually part of the asphalt. The surfacing is cheaper but wears away and I believe it’s more costly in the long run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    at around 1815 yesterday, the traffic was backed up to the alfie byrne road from westwood, as people were queuing to get in and the roadworks have the road reduced to one lane currently. how they're allowing this to happen is ridiculous, there were 3 buses in the queue.



  • Registered Users Posts: 49 Disco24


    They should close the car park to essential traffic, blue badge, deliveries etc until two lanes are open outside gym.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    The red tarmac outside Westwood has prevented cars from parking across the cycle lane while they wait to enter the car park, however the backlog of cars sitting in the bus lane is ridiculous.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,037 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,926 ✭✭✭Tenzor07




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,026 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    those "cycle on the right" lanes drive me mad - we drive and cycle on the left in Ireland, if you start mixing in lanes where it's the opposite no amount of arrows are going to prevent people from getting confused and the result is head on collisions. The north quays cycle lane is the worst, cycle on the left, but at every junction, one lane switches to the right and the other disappears altogether!



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,073 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    First up, you are allowed queue to turn left. Second, it’s hardly their fault that the area has been left in such a complete state for 2.5 years at this stage. Honestly, I get the frustration but it really should be directed towards those doing the work who have done but cause considerable delay for a long period of time.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,836 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    But private cars are not allowed queue to turn left in a bus lane.

    The correct and legal way to do it is to wait in the general traffic lane.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,663 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Hopefully that kind of widespread rulebreaking will stop if bus lane cameras actually happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    They could take a left turn about 100m sooner and not clog up the bus lane, but the lazy entitled gym goers and parents of the kids in the creche need to park as close to the front door as they possibly can.

    I've used that other car park for Westwood, it takes less than 2 minutes to get inside Westwood after leaving your car. These idiots will instead queue for 10 minutes or more and delay the journey of many bus users.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,073 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    It's not a bus lane though, it's the only lane due to the roadworks.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,073 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    I get the frustration, I really do, particularly when they block the path and cycle lane. However, the main issue is the shear length of time and level of continued disruption for well over two years now. That particular section is down to one lane until just before the entrance. Sure people could use the alternate carpark but they don't and are allowed to queue up on the road to turn left.

    Honestly, with the overall messing that goes on with these roadworks on an almost daily basis now I don't put any blame on the gym or its users at this stage.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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