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Croatians attacked in Dublin, one man dead - read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,889 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Just read about the shocking, barbaric and unprovoked attack on the two Croatian men who were the victims of evil and dangerous bully-boys. They are destructive and poisonous individuals and gangs, who cause nothing but hurt and damage to anyone they set their sights on. Hopefully the gardai find the disgusting thugs who are responsible quickly, and they are put away for a very long time.

    Thankfully the injured man will recover from the physical assault but the mental trauma may have a devastating effect on his life. It must have been a horrific experience.

    RIP Josip Strok. Condolences to his family and friends.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,733 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    You've got off on a tangent while the topic is about Irish people murdering a person because they aren't Irish. Irish xenophobes and a rising far right are the problem in that case.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on




  • So… is that a yes or a no to the Swedish approach to a similar problem?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    You'd have to be an especially evil person to wish harm on, or do harm to a person just for not speaking English. Would these scrotes have a go at someone speaking as Gaelilge ?? It wouldn't surprise me to be honest.

    I was on my usual LUAS journey this morning and heard many languages spoken - 3-4 minimum easily. It's lovely to hear - particularly if it's a language you know a few words in, a French chap was talking about a horse earlier. No idea what he was talking about it but he seemed happy enough!

    I hope the man's friend recovers both mentally and physically and if these monsters are caught let's hope it's not Nolan they are up before.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,410 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    There is a world of difference between a legal migrant paying their own way, following the legal process and some lads dumping their documents while travelling through multiple safe countries to play the welfare system. We’ve seen the end result of this on the continent and it’s not good. It will increase racism, look at the problems in the UK with Armenians, drug trafficking and general criminality. They abused the asylum process to get in and the Armenians won’t take them back. The whole thing just increases resentment and racism.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,342 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Then let the system deal with those people and if the system isn't doing what you as a citizen want use democracy to change that .

    There is no excuse for murder violence or thuggery and promoting it as an answer or ignoring its use is why scvmbags like this think they have some sort of mandate to behave this way . And KILL someone .

    As a mature person do you think it's constructive to use violence and abuse to deal with your frustrations,?

    I am sure you don't .

    And that is why everyone needs to affirm that to those who would try to drag us down that route and be very clear about it .



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,932 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    OK, let's drop the Sweden talk. This happened in Dublin. And this is not another thread about immigration either, so anyone tempted to try and continue that avenue of discussion can expect a minimum of a threadban



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,524 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    people coming here with no documents has nothing to do with two white croatians being attacked and one dying from it



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭lmao10


    I know a few eastern europeans and they are afraid to speak in their native language or even speak English in public if they have a noticeable accent because some of them have got abuse for it. This is what those far right lads want - immigrants living in fear. It all comes down to the far right rhetoric and we knew it was a matter of time before someone got killed. Sadly, it will probably take a few more murders like this or a major attack where people die for the guards to start being proactive against these scumbags who are spouting this stuff online.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,524 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    and people on boards are trying to say it's as nuanced as these scumbags are riled up and doing it because there are people arriving here with no documents. these scumbags always hated foreigners before all this military aged males guff started appearing everywhere.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭lmao10


    It's only the obvious far right apologists doing this. As transparent as it gets. Some of their fake outrage is pretty comical in how stupid they think people are to buy what they are saying. Dangerous all the same because the far right rhetoric is now seemingly responsible for a murder on the street and no doubt there will be more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,524 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    look at the comments under this if you have the stomach for it. i've seen these guys getting horrible racist abuse on trams.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,448 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    guards to start being proactive against these scumbags who are spouting this stuff online.

    The issue being that the Gardai do not currently have the law in order to deal with a lot of the stuff being spouted online.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,410 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Ireland didn’t have a far right ‘problem’ until the government started prioritising housing IP’s and bypassing planning permission. It’s cause and effect. Is there one mainstream party dealing with this issue? Housing and migration are now the top issues people are concerned about and both are directly linked. You can’t keep pouring people into a country with a lack of housing. Things are going to get worse and it’s all so predictable.





  • Yep, but some people will always bury their heads in the sand and deny there is a problem.

    Even sad cases like this are unlikely to wake some of them up.

    Everywhere you get mass immigration and unsustainable numbers, you get the same predictable societal problems. It should be obvious at this stage, but only if your ideology doesn't effectively blind you from seeing the wood from the trees.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,448 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Reminds me of my mams neighbour, she reckons there were no racists in Ireland until all the foreigners showed up 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,410 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    What you want, the policies you support and the end result will be three separate things.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,066 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    @Thelonious Monk @Potatoeman @[Deleted User] discuss immigration in general terms in the Immigration or Refugee thread. Seriously - there has just been a mod warning about this. Final reminder before threadbans start getting handed out, no excuse now.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I'm not sure they have the resources either.

    After the riot when there was a lot of back and forth about tech companies not removing posts it emerged there was only one garda monitoring various far-right channels that day. I'd imagine that person must have been totally swamped trying to get stuff taken down, passing on info etc, all while trying to keep track of thousands of messages on multiple platforms.

    It seems they were also unaware of videos circulating of racist attacks in Limerick too. The response to this Journal article doesn't suggest resources will be available to tackle the issue either.

    When asked for comment on the attacks recorded in the social media videos, a Garda spokesman said “I cannot, at this time, locate any reported incident matching these details”.

    When asked if Gardaí have any safety advice for the concerned migrant community in Limerick who have been rocked by the attacks, the Garda spokesperson said “advice on personal security can be found on the Garda website”.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/brazilian-student-assaulted-limerick-6357653-Apr2024/



  • Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭Ionraice


    I hope whoever is responsible is found and locked up for a very long time. Attacking, never mind murdering, someone for not speaking English is vile.

    Having said that, the attack was, unfortunately, entirely predictable.

    Scumbags don't need much of an excuse to behave like the thugs they are. A combination of a severe housing shortage, and a rapid increase in immigration levels, was always going to lead to tension.

    Add the extreme far right stoking tensions ( note: I said the extreme far right, not the moderates with genuine concerns about immigration levels), and a Government and NGOs who refuse to even discuss the issue, and you have the perfect conditions for the proverbial pot to boil over.

    The attack was inexcusable, lest anyone should accuse me of justifying it. However, there needs to be some soul searching done by both pro and anti immigration groups. There's real anger in the Country about immigration levels.

    It's long past time for a mature, reasonable discussion on the issue.

    Otherwise, I'm very much afraid this might not be the last such incident.

    And part of that discussion also has to be about law and order, not just hate speech, but actual law and order, with perpetrators of violent crime being locked up for the foreseeable future, irrespective of their nationality..



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    Lads the nationality/race of the perpetrator(s) doesn't matter, don't be stirring up hate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭lmao10


    That's pretty shocking. They really need to get on top of this. Surely one murder which is down to the far right rhetoric is more than enough to get them moving. We only really saw the politicians bothered when the protests were getting rowdy at Leinster House. Sadly it looks like it will probably take a politician being attacked or another few murders before they actually do what needs to be done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,727 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    Why is this case not getting any attention in the media? The usual NGO types who are quick to accuse racism are silent.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,454 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    It is in the media and under investigation.

    "Investigators have now identified the four men who they believe were involved in the fatal assault, including the alleged “ringleader”.

    This man is known to gardaí, having been investigated for drug-related offences in the past. He is also known for posting anti-immigration and far-right rhetoric online."

    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/croatian-man-killed-brutal-dublin-28975140



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 803 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth Randomer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,454 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    That is why I posted the one allowed relevant paragraph from the first article.

    The second article is not behind a paywall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,113 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Deleted

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,394 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Absolutely horrible what happened to these two men. What is wrong with scroots that do this?

    These people are human but the schools are scum .

    It disgusts me that someone can do this to another human.

    I hope these little bas-tards that done this are caught and put in prison for the rest of their life's.

    Prime time has a piece on this tonight. Very sad.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,448 ✭✭✭dalyboy


    it’s 2024 right ! ?
    How in the name of all that’s holy has this filth-bag not been identified & arrested ? We have CCTV on nearly every street (be it shops , ATMs , street cams etc)

    I am at a loss how the Gardai have been unable to locate footage in order to bring justice to this poor man’s family



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,454 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Did you miss my post earlier?

    ""Investigators have now identified the four men who they believe were involved in the fatal assault, including the alleged “ringleader”.

    This man is known to gardaí, having been investigated for drug-related offences in the past. He is also known for posting anti-immigration and far-right rhetoric online."

    You can sleep safe tonight. It's under investigation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭lmao10


    Talked to more eastern europeans I know today and they expressed some fear about speaking in their native languages. Sadly they are even scared to be heard speaking English with an accent. Sad state of affairs in the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,704 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    The lack of interest in this disgusting case is very telling.

    Prime Time tonight might actually kick start a shift. Not a word out of the usual do gooders.

    Presumably because it happened in Clondalkin and not in Blackrock.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,448 ✭✭✭dalyboy


    oh I’ll sleep fine anyways thanks pal.
    No update on any media as to these A-holes being I.D’d so don’t know where u got your info from. (Although I hope you’re correct)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,454 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    I posted it around 3 posts before your post and don't call me pal please.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,260 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    It is sad....and per the AGS statement, we do not have Hate Crime legislation in this country. No wonder 'Hate for entertainment' is so prolific.

    And what about the landlord they changed the locks on the property making the other victint homeless. I was shocked they could be so selfish and insensitiv. Thats not right.

    Maybe it's because it was first reported (in media) as possibly being drugs or gang related.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,260 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    Yet they cared enough about gang/ drug feud to have armed Garda outside the homes of Hutch family members for years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,359 ✭✭✭✭Purple Mountain


    I'm only hearing about this tonight. So the media must have been very quiet on the attacks/death or else I'm under a rock all week.

    I'm absolutely repulsed by the lack of outrage from the media/public.

    Are these attacks/murders just being accepted as part of the norm in our society now?

    If it was an Irish woman attacked/killed in Stillorgan on her way home from a night out with a friend, it would bring a backlash of disgust.

    The irony is, I'd wager that these Croatian men probably contributed more to Irish society than the absolute cowardly pond life cretins who attacked them.

    Rest in peace to the young man and hopes of a full recovery to his friend.

    To thine own self be true



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,454 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Even after being killed they did more than the scum that allegedly killed him.

    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/croatian-man-killed-brutal-dublin-28975140



  • Registered Users Posts: 513 ✭✭✭Rugbyf565


    Starting to think we should go down the El Salvador root. Have a mass crackdown and raid areas in Clondalkin and Tallaght and round up all these groups of scumbag teenagers, get them into prison and strip them to their underwear and have them in handcuffs crouched down on their honkers. I do not want to associate in the same country as the scum who did this, I reject them as humans.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,454 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Where was it reported these were (scum) teenagers?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,359 ✭✭✭✭Purple Mountain


    I think any juvenile who starts to present to authorities and is deemed to be on a trajectory to scumbaggery should be sent to a special wing of the army where they put these runts through 6 months of unpaid bootcamp.

    To thine own self be true



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,271 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It does expose the myth that the Irish far right hate only refugees and asylum seekers. Croatia is a full EU member and yet the usual suspects are coming out with their usual disgusting bile when discussing this case on social media.



  • Registered Users Posts: 513 ✭✭✭Rugbyf565


    Yep, it’s the lack of a reaction to this killing from the government that is utterly shocking to me. Not a single tweet or press release from Helen McEntee to give her condolences to the Croatian family and condemn the attack. We have a precarious situation right now where it is extremely dangerous for any foreign national of any background, ethnicity, language— to wander into the wrong area. The Croatian man wasn’t even alone either, he had a friend with him.

    Even my friend who is white and Irish was hit with a bike lock and knocked out cold to the curb on camden street last year by a gang of youths who took his phone and wallet. Crime is the central issue of the next election and this government want to hide away from it. This idea of it being ‘politically incorrect’ to call out the obvious issue—that gangs of working class youth are inherently violent and are committing heinous crimes—is ludicrous.



  • Registered Users Posts: 513 ✭✭✭Rugbyf565


    Should be mandatory military conscription if you don’t have a college degree or finish your apprenticeship or have a full time job, or have a committed a violent juvenile crime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,271 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The current situation is definitely alarming. The Irish far right on social media would be the direct equivalent of the former National Front and Combat 18 in the UK - their rhetoric and hate speech sounds identical. You'd wonder where all this is heading…..will one of them try and kill a TD or minister at some point?

    Fair play to Prime Time for highlighting the case anyway and interviewing the young Croatian woman in studio. It's about time we reclaimed our country from the absolute dregs of our society.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,294 ✭✭✭✭sligeach


    I remember hearing of this attack on Easter Sunday news bulletins and then hearing that one of the men sadly passed away a few days later in hospital. Then total media silence, until today(Thursday). Why are the media only really starting to pick up on it now? More than 2 weeks later. Or have I missed something?

    There was very little in the initial reports, but when you read this, it's shocking. That was a savage attack. There's no place in civilised society for the dregs who perpetrated this unprovoked, cowardly, vicious, xenophobic attack.

    And you have to wonder how often attacks like this happen, but don't get media attention unless someone dies.



  • Registered Users Posts: 513 ✭✭✭Rugbyf565


    You'd wonder where all this is heading…..will one of them try and kill a TD or minister at some point?

    honestly an attack on a politician doesn’t sound that far-fetched at this stage. I’ve seen how aggressive these people are to them on Twitter and in real life. As you said, it is completely alarming how fast they’ve mobilised their force on the streets, and the scary thing is that a lot of it is disorganised, decentralised and scattered gangs, impossible to predict when they will carry out their next attack. One thing is certain is that clown Elon has accelerated the violence with his algorithms and his tweets compelling Irish fascists to go out and ‘fight’.

    The harsh reality is yes we will need more surveillance and more cameras everywhere as dystopian as it sounds it’s the only way to gather evidence to get convictions. What strikes me is how angry these people are, filled with an uncontrollable rage which they want to project onto politicians and onto foreign nationals. Saw a video the other day of even Eoin O’Broin being confronted by these lunatics “EOIN DEFINE WHAT IS A WOMEN? YE CANT DO IT YE **** CLOWN”. They’re brazen, fearless and wreckless. It’s still hard to believe the capital city burned down a few months ago,

    Mr. Varadkar would have you believe everything’s going great because ‘the economy looks good’. The fact the Gardai didn’t listen, confiscated the injured man’s phone and suspected the Croatian man ‘had to have been a drug dealer’, simply because he was attacked by a gang of youths is deplorable, and it speaks to the deep lying racist attitudes/suspicions in this country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,448 ✭✭✭dalyboy


    don’t tell me to “sleep safe tonite” (bizzare) and I fully agree not to call u pal





  • People focusing on so-called "far right" among what appears to be low life unintelligent scum, who usually struggle to organise basic stuff in their own lives, never mind orchestrate some well thought out hate movement.

    I wouldn't be surprised at all, if attacks like this have more to do with rampant drug use and people just being off their heads on some insane levels of powerful substances. But of course, with drug use being another political hot potato, nobody wants to go there and touch that growing epidemic in our society. People used to drink a bit too much, and get in punch ups in our society… but the combination of these other drugs is making many people act in much more extreme ways. I think we're sleep walking into something very worrying in this regard.



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