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Ennis Limerick rail line

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,836 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Every cloud has a silver lining.

    The first train into Ceannt each morning is usually a 2-car DMU, packed with people, hardly standing room.

    Four car today, I found out why later. The flooding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭Poxyshamrock


    And I notice the 0915 ex Limerick which was usually formed of a 4-car 2800 class is now departing Ennis at 1000 as a 22000. Not sure if this is due to new carriages coming on stream but most likely due to flooding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭Tiernster7


    Any updates on this line? My garden is hardening, will the rail track ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,730 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Outside of the North West and a small bit of the South Midlands, everywhere had above average rain for the past 6 weeks including here. Likely still months.



  • Registered Users Posts: 39 nigra


    Its more than a little despiriting that there has barely been a peep in the media about the ongoing Limerick/Ennis line flooding. There has been no announcement of imminent works to rectify the situation and the whole issue seems to have disappeared off the radar, which isn't terribly surprising considering the media can hardly see beyond Dublin. Interesting to contrast with how many times daily i hear about Luas/M50 delays etc…. Anyway, considering the amount of money that went into reopening the line in the first place, this is a seriously poor return on investment for the taxpayer.

    From enquiries i made, it seems that the stall here is the OPW. The flooding source is well away from the line and they are the agreed state agency to progress a solution . Since the cabinet reshuffle, the minister with responsibility for the OPW is Kieran O'Donnell TD. The previous incumbent , Minister Patrick O'Donovan didn't do replies.

    Can i suggest that anyone who would like to see the problem solved email Minister O'Donnell directly and ask that a solution to the flooding at Ballycar be funded and engineering works progress? Otherwise its only a matter of time until the line is closed yet again…



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,248 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    The line is to reopen on Saturday afternoon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,730 ✭✭✭✭L1011




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,086 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Ths really isn't an OPW issue. That area floods naturally and trying to prevent it would cause flooding elsewhere (the water has to go somewhere). It's a place where water gathers, that wouldn't be an issue if they hadn't run a rail line through it. Whatever you propose to prevent the flooding probably wouldn't get planning approval anyway due to ecological impact of whatever you do.

    The solutions are raising the rail line or diverting the rail line. Both of these would be for IÉ to undertake and both are likely easier than trying to stop the water accumulating there and dealing with it somewhere else. If IÉ want to continue operating the rail service, they either look for a solution or they accept that at certain times it will not be possible for the service to operate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 135 ✭✭DoctorPan


    The flooding reports commissioned show the opposite, the flooding could be solved by the removal of the restriction of water flow between the swallow hole and spring near Ballycar, upgrading of existing drainage and some new drainage around Newmarket and Lough Gash.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,086 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Can you provide a link to the report you are referring to because this report finds raising the rail line to be the preferred option;

    https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/committee/dail/32/joint_committee_on_rural_and_community_development/submissions/2018/2018-05-23_briefing-iarnrod-eireann-2015-rps-report-on-ballycar-flood-study_en.pdf

    The works proposed under the preferred option are summarised in below:

    Option 4 was chosen as:

     It provides the least ecological impact on the SAC of Lough Gash and the least impact on the pNHAs of Lough Finn and Rosroe Lough

     It does not increase flood risk elsewhere in the catchment especially at the internationally important air control communication infrastructure.

     It has the least negative effect on geology and hydrogeology in the area

    Raising the rail line could be combined with providing a section of double track to allow trains to pass which would further improve the Cost/Benefit Analysis for that option.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,836 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    I presume this line was in use for over 100 years from maybe 1850 to 1975. Was there regular flooding then?

    Was this line re-built as part the WRC in 2010?



  • Registered Users Posts: 135 ✭✭DoctorPan


    I cannot find a link to the report publicily but it's outcome are mentioned within a reply given by Patrick O'Donovan here:

    https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2023-11-28/71/

    and again here in an article by Clare Echo

    https://www.clareecho.ie/ballycar-flooding-likely-to-keep-ennis-to-limerick-rail-line-closed-for-weeks/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,086 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Without seeing the 2020 report it's difficult to comment on it but the 2015 report said that improving drainage at Ballycar will result in flooding elsewhere. POD's answer suggests that the 2020 report says put in better drainage and also do works to prevent the flooding elsewhere. That sounds like a lot of unnecessary works, essentially solving the problem in one location by moving it to another and then try solving that. Solving such drainage issues is notoriously difficult and unintended consequences are common. It would be interesting to see the environmental impacts assessment of that.

    POD also said;

    The primary benefits of the measures identified in the assessment are derived from the protection of Iarnród Éireann infrastructure and accordingly it is with Iarnród Éireann, as the key stakeholder, to lead and pursue the resolution of the railway line flooding problem and to secure funding for the proposed project.

    That is obviously correct. Works wouldn't be required if there wasn't a rail line there. The problem is not that it floods, the problem is that the rail line is there. The solution needs to focus on the rail line. Moving the water only creates a bigger scope of works and greater chance that further works will be required if other issues manifest later.

    As I said, raising the rail line can be done along with other works to further improve rail services. The problem with that is spending another €10m on the rail line less than two decades after it opened at a cost of €110m. IÉ are just trying to push the problem onto someone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,229 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    the line from limerick through to mayo was in use really up until the late 90s early 2000s for freight and some enthusiast tours/specials operated .
    the limerick to ennis section had passenger services restored in i think 1994?
    limerick to ennis is part of the WRC and it was relayed at least in 2010.
    i'm not sure of the flooding issues but i would presume they did exist, not really an issue for steam trains but for the diesel locos it might have been depending on how high the water was as traction motors ETC would get flooded which is not good.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,286 ✭✭✭Glaceon




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,086 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    From the report I linked to above;

    Flooding of the railway track in the vicinity of Ballycar Lough is a long-standing problem. This section of the Ennis–Limerick line was flooded on a number of occasions in the past. The railway track at Ballycar Lough was flooded, most notably in the years of 1994, 1995, 2009 and 2014. According to Iarnrod Eireann, the railway track was flooded on approximately 14 occasions since 1930. This flooding has led to temporary closures of the railway line for a maximum period of 16 weeks during the 1994 and 2014 flooding events and 8 weeks during the November 2009 flooding event.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,730 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Would say from these photos that the slight raising is the only reason its open now - its still very, very wet within the edges of the alignment!



  • Registered Users Posts: 39 nigra


    Thanks, its news to me to hear of so many previous reports on the Ballycar flooding. I had understood that there was an interagency dispute as to who the lead agency to resolve this was to be but my understanding was that after a government meeting in 2022 the OPW was the nominated lead agency.

    So now i take it that the interagency mexican standoff (IE vs OPW) is still going on?

    You have to ask where are the adults to sort this out? surely thats why we elect politicians?It is frustrating that our elected representatives can't decide on a solution to what is quite a minor issue, but a major inconvenience for commuters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭seekers


    The public consultation on the moyross Station will be starting on 20th May

    https://www.live95fm.ie/news/live95-news/next-step-welcomed-in-delivering-moyross-train-station/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭Tiernster7


    Happy to see some progress here. Any idea if a passing loop will form part of station plan. Its a stop ill use a lot for commuting to work and games so happy to see it moving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭Poxyshamrock


    You'd imagine a passing loop would have to form part of the plan. It would allow for an increase in services along the line as you could schedule a Limerick-bound train and Ennis-bound train to meet there and pass each other. Will be interesting to see location. I imagine it will be adjacent to proposed private hospital and housing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭seekers


    I see thet there's a bridge replacement planned for ther Ennis to Limerick Line in September

    Saturday 21st September

    Limerick to Ennis

    Bridge renewal

    Limerick to Ennis, Limerick to Galway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,086 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭Paddico


    Is this to sort the flooding?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭Tiernster7




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭Paddico


    Fair enough 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭seekers


    21st September

    Due to Engineering Works between Limerick and Ennis on Saturday 21st September, the following service alterations and amendments will take place:

    05:55 Limerick to Galway will be bus transfers direct from Limerick to Ennis, second bus transfer from Limerick to Sixmilebridge and Ennis, train departing at 06:49hrs from Ennis to Galway

    08:40 Limerick to Ennis will be bus transfers direct from Limerick to Ennis, second bus transfer from Limerick to Sixmilebridge and Ennis

    09:20 Limerick to Galway will be bus transfers direct from Limerick to Ennis, second bus transfer departing at 09:10hrs from Limerick to Sixmilebridge and Ennis, train departing at 10:00hrs from Ennis to Galway

    12:30 Limerick to Ennis will be bus transfers direct from Limerick to Ennis, second bus transfer from Limerick to Sixmilebridge and Ennis

    14:20 Limerick to Galway will be bus transfers direct from Limerick to Ennis, second bus transfer departing at 14:10hrs from Limerick to Sixmilebridge and Ennis, train departing at 15:02hrs from Ennis to Galway

    16:30 Limerick to Ennis will be bus transfers direct from Limerick to Ennis, second bus transfer from Limerick to Sixmilebridge and Ennis

    18:05 Limerick to Galway will be bus transfers direct from Limerick to Ennis, second bus transfer from Limerick to Sixmilebridge and Ennis, train departing at 19:12hrs from Ennis to Galway

    19:50 Limerick to Galway will be bus transfers direct from Limerick to Ennis, second bus transfer from Limerick to Sixmilebridge and Ennis, train departing at 20:30hrs from Ennis to Galway

    20:30 Limerick to Ennis will be bus transfers direct from Limerick to Ennis, second bus transfer from Limerick to Sixmilebridge and Ennis

    06:50 Ennis to Limerick will be bus transfers direct from Ennis to Limerick, second bus transfer from Ennis to Sixmilebridge and Limerick

    06:15 Galway to Limerick will operate to Ennis only, bus transfers direct from Ennis to Limerick, second bus transfer from Ennis to Sixmilebridge and Limerick

    10:00 Ennis to Limerick will be bus transfers direct from Ennis to Limerick, second bus transfer from Ennis to Sixmilebridge and Limerick

    10:25 Galway to Limerick will operate to Ennis only, bus transfers direct from Ennis to Limerick, second bus transfer from Ennis to Sixmilebridge and Limerick

    13:25 Ennis to Limerick will be bus transfers direct from Ennis to Limerick, second bus transfer from Ennis to Sixmilebridge and Limerick

    13:45 Galway to Limerick will operate to Ennis only, bus transfers direct from Ennis to Limerick, second bus transfer from Ennis to Sixmilebridge and Limerick

    17:25 Ennis to Limerick will be bus transfers direct from Ennis to Limerick, second bus transfer from Ennis to Sixmilebridge and Limerick

    17:52 Galway to Limerick will operate to Ennis only, bus transfers direct from Ennis to Limerick, second bus transfer from Ennis to Sixmilebridge and Limerick

    21:10 Ennis to Limerick will be bus transfers direct from Ennis to Limerick, second bus transfer from Ennis to Sixmilebridge and Limerick



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭seekers


    Details of the developments planned for the Ennis line

    https://www.clare.fm/news/irish-rail-unveils-plans-double-frequency-ennis-routes/#:~:text=Iarnr%C3%B3d%20Eireann%20has%20unveiled%20its,Ennis%20to%20Limerick%20rail%20line.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭seekers


    Anyone know where the works took place over the weekend?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭Tiernster7


    Diggers were in place at Clarecastle train station certainly



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