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Protest outside Roderick O' Gormans home - read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,640 ✭✭✭Hamachi


    I find that hard to believe Clo-Clo. Just last Saturday, my barber randomly mentioned O’Gorman in the middle of a haircut. I wasn’t in the mood to discuss politics so changed the subject. He’s certainly a known quantity in this area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,871 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I'm not his biggest fan but this is wrong

    Protest peacefully at The Dail or constitute office



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    I have no plans to walk around hanging flags off someone house in a face mask so why would I be afraid of the Gardai?

    Build a jail, dump them all in it, no loss IMO.

    Funny how they could all show up on a Friday, did they get the day off work?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,175 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    +1 - while I know it’s OTT, and will probably make the situation worse, I’d love to be there with my popcorn to see these scumbags squirm 😀





  • this is a response to concerned tenants earlier post - for some reason quotes didn't work

    Hang on a second.

    Are you living in the same country as me? Buildings earmarked for DP burned to the ground, people viciously assaulted via hate crimes and a fella murdered in the past week. Normal people who have genuine concerns becoming radicalised through a very clear misinformation campaign.

    Our democracy absolutely is under attack. It's a crisis. And the powers that be hope the problem naturally dissapears like everything else.

    I'm sorry but give your head a wobble. The pace at which things have escalated is frightening and people should realise that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,233 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Might knock sense into them. Can't get any thicker anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,445 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    No fan of O'Gorman, a man who has dumped thousands on to the Streets and walks past his work everyday and sees them in tents.

    He is one cold, heartless bas6a56 who will swan off in to a cushy job after his disaster in office.

    That aside, no ones home should be targeted for protest, even people as Roderick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,114 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Objectively, making a claim that the people aren't doing anything wrong and "are just standing there" is a very good example of defending them:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    anyone thinking o gorman will get re-elected is off their trolley. he is the most incompetent member of that government and that is saying something, he got in on the back of a sf transfer the last day and that aint going to happen again. it will be some crack pot independent elected on the i love ireland vote or an aontu runner.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    I never seen the stats on all these transfers that the Green party seemingly got from Sinn Fein. Do you have the data?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    ah would you stop the scaremongering you sound as bad as the nutjobs outside o gormans last night just on the other side of the fence. Democracy is not under any threat you would think it was the night of the long knives the way you are blowing it up.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,829 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Whether it's anything to do with him being gay or not, it does seem to be a feature of Right leaning / populist politics in Ireland to intensely focus rage and blame on a few individuals. The attraction of that is obvious — it negates the need to actually think and negates any motivation to acknowledge that socioeconomic problems are complex because all you have to do is say "Roderic O'Gorman is a traitor" and that's all the argument you need.

    It's just a really shi*ty feature of political discourse these days. Politicians are human, they are flawed, they do a lot of really good work and put themselves at the mercy of public opinion in a way that the vast majority of people never dare to do — and that majority gets the luxury of never having to actually justify the practical realities of implementing their views. Put any of the clowns outside O'Gormans house in power — or indeed the great sages they would have us vote for (the Hermann Kellys) and watch them fumble around and absolutely f**k everything up — and at least we would have the satisfaction of watching them be the guys who have to justify actual policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,836 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    This behaviour is horrible, and the Gardai should have forcibly removed the people within minutes.

    I say this as a person who thinks ROG actions to invite bogus AS here is near-treasonous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,014 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Attacked from who though. You might say they're under attack from these guys but others will say that our politicians don't give a **** on what we think and the disconnected between the public and their policies is massive (just look at the last referendum, response to immigration, hate crime bill etc).

    To me, the government aren't respecting the will of the Irish people when it comes to immigration (most surveys are coming out with that) so when the gap exists and people don't think they're being respected, what do you think happens.

    As for people claiming this is somehow an Irish thing, this is happening in a load of places and it's been the catalyst for the birth of democracy in some countries (France and US being ones we would have all learned about). Government should start listening to people more if they want to stop this or any further civil disobedience

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users Posts: 391 ✭✭slay55


    But they weren’t being made to cover their faces. in this instance, they chose to cover their faces.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 391 ✭✭slay55




  • Registered Users Posts: 453 ✭✭BagofWeed


    If these guys are so hard why don't they actually enter the house and evict Roderic out onto the street, it would free up a house for the homeless. Instead pointing the finger and blaming migrants is just cowards work. Also Gardaí again proving they don't care one iota about racism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,114 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Yeah, it makes no sense.

    Here's the count results from the 2020 GE:

    Between Count 1 and Count 2 (where SF's Paul Donnelly's transfers would have occurred), O'Gorman only went up by 295 votes. For each count after that, it only went up by three or four hundred until Count 5.

    Then in Count 5, O'Gorman is on 6,270. Joan Burton is on 2,406. She gets eliminated, and on Count 6, O'Gorman suddenly goes up by 1,990 to 8,260 to clinch the last seat. It's very clear where his winning transfers came from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,280 ✭✭✭techdiver


    A few things on what has happened and the rise of this type of behaviour. As with others above, my position is protesting at someone's home is abhorrent and in fact should be outlawed. By all means protest outside the Dail and the constituency offices but laying siege to peoples homes (where other family members who have nothing to do with the individuals profession may reside) is the lowest of the low. Wearing masks too is another sig of sheer cowardice. At least if you're going to be a scumbag, own it and don't be a coward. The fact that you cover your face means you know what you are doing is wrong.

    Many here are theorising as to what has lead us here. Misinformation etc is blamed, but whilst this is true to an extent it is not the root cause in my opinion. It is a symptom of the failure of the government to:

    1. Listen to the concerns of genuine individuals.
    2. Govern for the good of the electorate.
    3. Communicate their position better. If they truly believe what they are doing is for the better of the country explain why. Our political elite, now just brand any concerns regarding immigration control as "far right rhetoric". They are incapable of debate and selling an idea to the people. Instead they attempt to use coercive language and soundbites that alienate people with opposing views. It's either vote for this, agree with that, or you're a <insert branding with negative connotations here>.

    In my opinion the are failing large sections of the population in the above regard. With regards to the governments deflections that all the wrongs of society are down to the mythical "far right", they have ironically given fuel to that fire. If ordinary people are branded something they are not for voicing an opinion that the government don't agree with and goes against policy, then you leave the door open for these people to seek refuge amounts others, who claim to represent their fears. It seems our current crop of politicians are the same fragile types I used to see in Student Unions down through the years who are only used to echo chambers and are aghast at the great unwashed questioning their intellectual superiority. ROG, is a classic case of someone like this.

    This is my thoughts as someone who is generally a centre left voter. I'm against religion in schools, believe in a woman's right to choose, voted in favour of both repeal the 8th and SSM. I believe immigration enriches society but there has to be a common sense approach to it. I believe in the welfare state and that we should always look after those of us who cannot look after ourselves. With all that said this lot has lost me and in some ways it's not even their political ideology, it's their sheer arrogance and lack of empathy for the people that they are elected to represent that angers me the most.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,733 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,113 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Peaceful protest? That's not peaceful protests. It's intimidation.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,113 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Intimidation of a politician. Of course that's a threat to democracy.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,113 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Yes. Not "targeting" - abusing/threatening/intimidating

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,015 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Paul Donnelly's surplus largely went to Coppinger in Dublin West (who O'Gorman beat out for the final seat).



  • Registered Users Posts: 391 ✭✭slay55




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,445 ✭✭✭✭Danzy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,624 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    It's not just ROG himself, that must be very intimidating for all his neighbours too. I certainly wouldn't like scumbags in balaclavas outside my home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    I had a feeling this was the case but thanks for confirming, I didn't know who the transfer came from but the fabled SF transfers I didn't think was right



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,445 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    SF transfers elected McDowell in the early 2000s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭celt262


    He needs to step down he isn't fit for purpose but yes no need for that carry on.



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  • So, do you think it was a sort of BLM/antifa style of protesting? That in your face, show of strength type of dynamic?

    Its hard to tell from watching a short video. You would really need to be on the ground listening to everything being said etc. Especially when seeking to ascertain just how well organised it was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,113 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    No. Its not "protest" - standing outside someone's home like that with those disgusting signs while masked is intimidation.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,623 ✭✭✭MFPM


    I'm no fan of O'Gorman, but this type of activity is not on, his constituency clinic, the Dail etc are acceptable places of protest, but this isn't. The contrast with the policing of these protests and say eviction protests or more the Debenhams pickets has been widely commented upon, the approach of AGS is very standoffish and that seems to have emboldened the far-right elements behind the protests.





  • Really? I didn't even know the chap was gay…

    Did they have signs with homophobic remarks or were they shouting slurs etc?



  • Registered Users Posts: 453 ✭✭BagofWeed


    The wrong people with the wrong ideology are protesting. But this suits the establishment fine, prevents the rest of us from protesting as we wouldn't want to be associated with racists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,113 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Now you're trying to change the goalposts. Masked men showing up with those disgusting signs is intimidation.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,524 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk






  • What goalposts?

    The poster said they don't like him because of his sexual orientation, I'm curious to get more details about this aspect of their demonstration.



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 77,932 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    This thread is about the protests outside O'Gorman's home. It is not about his electability, and to answer a question earlier in the thread it most certainly is not about immigration.

    Any questions PM me - do not respond to this post in thread



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    It should never be deemed OK to protest directly outside politician's homes. Peaceful protest at their clinics, on their way into the Dáil, at public events etc are all reasonable. Lot more effective than simply writing letters that can be tossed in the bin or emails that are junked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,015 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    There's been a growing trend since the crash to target politicians personally. A "play the man, not the ball" trend. It's not confined to the emerging far-right either - it's been an agenda happily driven by the hard-left here since 2009 onwards and the entirely-predictable consequences of that type of politics is the loons targetting politicans' homes that has been happening over the past 3-4 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,022 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    There should never be protests outside someone's home.

    I actually think ROG should have been sacked a long time a go for his 'Come one, come all, bread and board' tweet which was an undermining not just of the asylum process in this country and public confidence in it but, by extension, the security of the state. A completely reckless thing to do and he should have gone for that.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,838 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    No matter who they are, no politician or their family should have to endure something like this. The fact that they're all wearing masks tells you all you need to know.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,448 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Nobody should be protesting outside anyone's home. It's intimidation pure and simple.

    And I include people who are being homed in direct provion centres.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,796 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    We have public order laws to deal with sort of bullshít.

    They (if they weren't) should have been ordered to move on and if they didn't every one of them should have been arrested.

    It's not difficult, we don't need new legislation or laws.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,014 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    I mean historically you've King Louis and Marie Antoinette, you've Tsar Nicholas, you've got Ceausescu and hundreds more. When the ruling classes get too distant and keep on pushing unpopular policies on to the working classes, you get issues.

    Its not something new or something unusual. The years of it not happening are the unusual part.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Sorry but you need to be a little clear, on the way to the Dail could be any location. "Public events" could be him going to a friends event and nothing to do with work

    TD is a job, plenty of ways to contact a TD, to protest against the government etc, go to their office.

    Anyone who thinks that involves wearing a face mask is nothing but a total scumbag.

    I had a few occasions I had to contact a TD, not very many, every time I received a response, usual from the TD staff but 1-2 times from the TD. They will junk the abusive emails and these days more email systems will remove the abusive ones automatically. Which is 100% right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,605 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Did I miss the invitation? Could you share a copy of it please?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,113 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    We all know the far right hate O'Gorman. The National Party displayed pictures of Nooses 4 years ago during their Dail intimidation against O'Gorman. This latest initimidation is part of ongoing far right intimidation of O'Gorman for 4 years.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    The big turning point of course was the waste of space that is Paul Murphy and the attack on Joan Burton. When people see a TD doing this and then getting away with it they think they can do the same. Plus push the barriers to see what they can get away with.

    His actions that day set off repercussions which all TD's are feeling the brunt of today and even himself



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