EU Study finds ICE vehicles consume 20% more fuel than advertised

I opened this thread as a laugh because EV haters often point to claimed ranges being less than real world examples. Any knuckle-head knows the same is true of ICE cars, but we don't see it often in the news.

People point out claimed ranges being less for EV's than others because its a bigger problem for EV's:

EV ranges are much shorter to begin with. So you will have to "refill" more often. When you do have to refill, you have to wait for longer. And you have less options of where you can refill, so you have to put more consideration into where you can do it.

Because of this, along with price, range is probably the biggest factor consumers place on EV's when you buy them. Hell, even when you buy second hand you check what the depreciation in range has been since it was new. Who checks what the depreciation in range is for ICE cars when they buy an older one? No one, because whatever it is, its still more than enough for their needs.

EV's get a lot of undeserved bashing because people are reluctant to change and look for reasons not to change. EV's have advantages over ICE, but bashing ICE's over their claimed ranges is throwing stones in glass houses.

Thats a fair point. When I had an ICE it didnt matter at all to me how far it went on how much fuel. I would just go and fill it up at the next garage i passed if i ever glanced at the needle and it was below 1/8th. And I wouldnt be too pushed when i was passing that station or if a few were closed I knew there would be another very soon. Any time in the next 100km was fine.

The EV is a different story. I need to plan long trips, opening hours, time waiting around, broken chargers, speeds of chargers. Its more like owning a pet than owning a car. With longer range now its not as bad as it was when i got my first EV about 10 years ago, but its still like owning a pet. Maybe more like owning a cat than a dog nowadays :)

That's bloody infuriating,false advertising etc etc

Matters to some ice drivers...

In fairness it's data from insurance and AA breakdown and repairs. Because many cars these days won't just start back up if run out of fuel.

It's my habit to look to stats and news reports to double check opinions including my own. Because just because you do something one way doesn't mean everyone else does.

"...More motorists are calling the AA because they have run out of fuel.
The motor rescue company has seen a 17% jump in the number of fuel-related call outs.

They have linked the increase to the high cost of petrol and diesel.

Prices rose to all time high records this summer.

Motorists also cited the lack of service stations as one of the reasons they didn't fill up - claiming they couldn't find any when they were running low..."

Certainly over the years I've seen a few people run out of fuel. It's not my habit to run a car regularly into the red, or not fill the car and only put €20 in it. But I do know people who do that. How many people are used to their partner leaving the car on fumes, and discovering last thing at night.

Even if your daily mail article were true, that ICE cars run out of fuel, how much of a problem is it compared to running out of charge in your EV [edited for clarity]? You can pour a jerry can of fuel back into it, turn the engine over a few times and get going again. If something similar happens in your EV you will be left waiting to be put on the back of a flatbed truck.

Going after ICE vehicles over range is just silly. There are better complaints that can be made of them, like maintenance, pollution, etc.

James May talked about the EV range issue recently in The Intercooler. I wouldn't agree with some of it, but he raises good points.

Obviously nearly a million drivers in the UK should. Lol...

In other news watch how people do a u-turn on what constitutes a problem.

I had this crap back in 2011 when I wanted to install a heatpump in a new build. The building regs actually penalised me for doing so because of the dirty grid supplying the electricity and transmission losses. I could have gone with their advice and installed an oil boiler but decided to suck it up and install my preference even though it cost me over €6k more to install. I have to laugh at the SEAI now falling over themselves to throw money at people to replace those clean boilers with heatpumps Forward thinking stuff indeed.

In other words don't always be a slave to the system, do your research and go with your preference. Despite a lot of rhetoric, the world won't end