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Ahem, like I was saying, sail through the House. https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/8035
Hopefully this means the bill gets signed and we get wheels up on the military aid to Ukraine by the end of the day.
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Are the American tax payers obligated to continue funding the Ukrainian war effort indefinitely though?
A huge chunk of the money will be spent in America going into the pockets of Americans. American weapons systems and ammunition don't make themselves y'know.
Plus if anything support is growing in the US. Hell, now we see Johnson openly stating he's behind the support. Trump is stating it too. Something rattled cages there.
Your phrase "pulling the finger out" seems to suggest an element of entitlement to these funds, rather than them being a charitable contribution to help Ukraine fight their war.
"Charitable" ah would you listen to yourself. 😂
How strong would you say the Russian military are, to have caused this bleak outlook for the Ukrainians without having the benefit of such massive aid packages themselves?
Remarkably and surprisingly weak actually. Compare the economies, population sizes and military numbers of Russia and Ukraine. Ukraine has(if not had), a minuscule airforce, no navy to speak of, until very recently no modern MBTs and troop carriers, a fraction of the Russian artillery and nothing like the comms, radar, satellite and missile systems etc of Russia. Yet Ukraine didn't fold like expected, instead fought back, pushed Russian forces out of 50% of their initial gains, hamstrung their navy and their airforce for the most part needs to fire stand off munitions from behind Russian lines, if not from Russia herself. And forced the Russian military into a WW1 style slog, with mines and trench warfare.
Never mind that Russia's war chest of cash is by an order of magnitude higher than Ukraine. To the degree that spending that cash on the military is even making an impression on their overall GDP figures. And they still need to buy in weapons from Iran and North Korea and at least were likely getting some tech from China(though imho that ship is leaving port or has already sailed).
Many people are saying the Russian defences are near impenetrable in most parts of the frontline now, with row after row of
trenches, anti-tank obstacles, ditches, reinforced bunkers etc often many kilometres deep. Apparently, this is seriously sapping the morale of the soldiers, which I can fully imagine it might."Many people are saying" Source: Trust me bro.👍️ Boy oh boy if you were anymore transparent you'd give a sheet of glass a run for its money.😁
It sounds like an old-fashioned ww1 gruelling style of war. Can this latest aid package make much of a difference in such a war of attrition?
The Maginot line was even more "impenetrable". Right up to the point when it wasn't. And again if the Kremlin weren't so concerned about Western aid packages(and sanctions) they and their various mouthpieces wouldn't be constantly keening about them. They don't talk about Ukraine's air force or navy do they? Nope, because those don't concern them.
Actually it's been a while since we've heard Russian mouthpieces waving their nuke threats around. If this aid package passes the US senate I suspect we will..
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God thank you I was wondering who that kompromat sounding plant was.
Spartz called the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine "a genocide of the Ukrainian people by a crazy man".[47] Spartz was one of the first US officials to call Russian actions "war crimes".[48][49] At the time of the invasion, Spartz had family still living in Ukraine, including her grandmother, who was living in Chernihiv, which was under siege by Russia.[50]
During the ongoing invasion, Spartz traveled to Ukraine twice in April 2022. The first time was an unannounced visit to Bucha with U.S. Senator Steve Daines. Spartz and Daines were the first two U.S officials to visit Ukraine since the war started. The second trip was to Lviv, Kyiv, and Odesa with Representative Tim Walberg.[51][52] During the trip, Spartz met with Metropolitan Epifaniy.[53] Spartz has been critical of the speed and effectiveness of international humanitarian aid efforts.[54]
In July 2022, Spartz criticized Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy, accusing him of "playing politics and theater" and not governing seriously.[55] In an interview with Ukrainian press, she accused the country's leaders of not preparing for war and not understanding the war's importance. She asserted that there is insufficient monitoring of U.S.-provided weaponry, and that Congress needs to take control in this area.[56][57][58]
Also in July, Spartz enumerated six allegations against Andrii Yermak, a top official in Ukraine's government. Among the accusations were leaking important secret information to Belarus and Russia by Yermak, mismanaging peace negotiations he conducted with Dmitry Kozak just before the war, and then falsely "assuring Ukrainian leadership that no attack by Russia was going to happen" in February 2022, "contrary to western intelligence, to prevent Ukraine from properly preparing for the war", and through his deputy Oleh Tatarov delaying the appointment of an anti-corruption prosecutor.[59][60][61] Spartz asked the White House to investigate the allegations and report to a Congressional oversight committee.[62]
The Foreign Ministry of Ukraine responded that Spartz's allegations with regard to Andrii Yermak were "baseless speculation".[63] Former U.S. ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul, who has been working with Yermak on sanctions policy, said: "Yermak most certainly does not strike me as being pro-Russian. He is stridently anti-Putin and his barbaric regime."[64] Some Republican representatives and senators disagreed with Spartz's accusations and believed the accusations could hurt the war effort and damage U.S. relations with Ukraine, while boosting GOP elements who opposed aid to Ukraine.[64][65]
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