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Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread XII (The Byrne Supremacy)

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    #25862
    Exclamation Marc
    Registered Users Posts: 11,995 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122043916#Comment_122043916

    I think you'll see the eight subs get some game time whether it's off the bench or playing a half here or there. They'll need gametime and I can't see them being limited to two more sub appearances this year.



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    #25863
    Clegg
    Registered Users Posts: 17,169 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Ospreys have beaten the Stormers away. That's a big surprise and maybe gives Leinster a small hint of an opening for next week.



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    #25864
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,481 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122044048#Comment_122044048

    The Stormers shipped a huge number of injuries in the last 16 game against LAR, wonder are they still missing a load?



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    #25865
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122043916#Comment_122043916

    Cause this has worked swimmingly in the past obviously. We'd genuinely be at risk of dropping out of the top 4 if we do that and having an away route to the URC.

    There is making something the priority and taking the complete piss and we are veering more towards the latter.



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    #25866
    Clegg
    Registered Users Posts: 17,169 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122044096#Comment_122044096

    I don't agree with the strategy but it's what I think we'll do.

    I'd prefer some rotation but keeping a strong core of first team players in the 23.



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    #25867
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122044145#Comment_122044145

    Fair enough, me too. I also just think it is better for the squad. I think this maniacal focus on one comp/game has not helped Leinster be mentally on top for the game when it comes. Too much pressure.

    I really hope they don't though.



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    #25868
    Rugbyf565
    Registered Users Posts: 437 ✭✭Rugbyf565


    I think the Lions game has proved that leinster actually need Barrett for their depth



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    #25869
    RichieRich_89
    Registered Users Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    McGrath's been an important player over the years, and his commitment is beyond question, but it's looking as if the experience and leadership he brings are outweighed by poor performances in games. Obviously we don't get to see how his character and personality are positives in the group environment, but it's looking as if it would be better to back Foley and Gunne (Murphy too - if he isn't leaving for Connacht).

    I don't expect to actually see it. McGrath himself had to wait while Matt O'Connor persisted with Reddan and Boss well past when he should have promoted the younger player.

    Leinster are weird when it comes to scrumhalves - it taking Farrell picking JGP for them to select him ahead of McGrath; pointlessly bringing back Nick McCarthy from Munster while letting Patterson and Rowan Osborne go in the opposite direction; and then splitting minutes equally between Foley and McCarthy last season when Foley clearly, clearly had more upside.



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    #25870
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    McGrath has captained multiple times and used to bring an excellent all round game that was unfortunately held back by his passing. His passing has now deteriorated to a level that no level of game management would carry, but beyond that his decision making has gone down the toilet. The quick tap penalty today indicative of it. Great servant to Leinster but I really hope to not see him next season.



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    #25871
    RichieRich_89
    Registered Users Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122044198#Comment_122044198

    Don't think it's fair to hold the quick tap against him. It was others who messed up, not him. What's the alternative? Kick it up the line and build pressure? It's not as if a lack of possession in the opposition 22 was one of Leinster's issues today. They spent ages hammering away to no effect. It's understandable why he wanted to try something different.



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    #25872
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users Posts: 8,561 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    This match hurts but, we lost at home to Ulster. A match I think we should have won. We bottled it v Glasgow. We've left a few points behind there.



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    #25873
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users Posts: 8,561 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Jack Boyle apparently at an AIL match in Limerick! Hmmm



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    #25874
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users Posts: 8,561 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Castres beat La Rochelle. It's also possible that Rog and his elderly band of merry men are not what they were. Don't write off Northampton, boys. Could be, that the Saints will be a far more difficult task.



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    #25875
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122044243#Comment_122044243

    Obviously that was the alternative? We were roughly on the halfway line and could have put pressure on in the 22 with the game building towards us. Instead he essentially ran off on his own with no one ready for it all to make ground to the 10m line and ultimately the players the ball got to out wide were completely isolated. It was a dreadful decision.



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    #25876
    RichieRich_89
    Registered Users Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122044279#Comment_122044279

    Not for me. I like it.



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    #25877
    SaoPaulo41
    Registered Users Posts: 2,012 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122044270#Comment_122044270

    I don't think the Saints have anything uo front to worry us too much. They have talented backline but I feel we should be winning by 11 plus



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    #25878
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users Posts: 8,561 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122044416#Comment_122044416

    We shall see.



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    #25879
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,460 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122044164#Comment_122044164

    The man at 12 was about the only one that played well.



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    #25880
    Clegg
    Registered Users Posts: 17,169 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    ^

    Ngatai was very good today. He's not a huge man, but constantly makes metres post contact and has a lovely passing range.

    It's such a shame that he's picked up lengthy injuries in both seasons with us. I think he's contributed quite a bit, but could have been even better with an injury free run. Would have loved to have signed him when he was still in his 20's. Could have had a Nacewa sized impact.



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    #25881
    RichieRich_89
    Registered Users Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122044164#Comment_122044164

    If Barrett was in the squad at the moment it's unlikely he'd have been taken on this SA trip.



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    #25882
    ulsteru20s
    Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭ulsteru20s


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122041832#Comment_122041832

    Yea that's true. There is the factor in the north that i don't think players get that athletes tax rebate.



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    #25883
    ulsteru20s
    Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭ulsteru20s


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122044265#Comment_122044265

    Was the Garryowen Wesley game in limerick? He came up through wesley i think so could he supporting them.



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    #25884
    scott1974
    Registered Users Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭scott1974


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122044270#Comment_122044270

    I've given up Tring to analyse French teams results especially away from home.. we beat what was in front of us, that's all you can do..

    Northampton were leading by a point (I think) before the red card.. so might have been different with 15 v 15..

    Well have a game plan for Saints and we need to execute it..



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    #25885
    Clegg
    Registered Users Posts: 17,169 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    It was 18-17 to Northampton when Leicester picked up the red card after 60 minutes. It wasn't a full strength Northampton side, but was still pretty strong.

    Leicester put it up to us a few weeks ago, but on reflection we had a few extra gears to go up if needed. Northampton have a truly excellent attack and I'm not sure we'll be able to completely nullify them.

    Our big advantage is up front, especially in the front five. Their pack is good especially in the back row. Lawes and Ludlam are excellent. But they don't have the same quality in the replacements.



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    #25886
    markest
    Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭markest


    You may be surprised, has improved this season by a good margin.



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    #25887
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,137 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122043916#Comment_122043916

    I dont think you're right on this.

    I doubt we'll see them being even more conservative than last year. We already saw more of the 23 subs on the SA trip. Last year we saw a decent mix of starters and 23 subs during the URC match 2 weeks out from the EC final and even the URC semi the week before the EC final had a sprinkle of 23 subs.



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    #25888
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users Posts: 8,561 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    We lost badly in the heat and at altitude. We deservedly lost! We were poor. The team had quite a few experienced heads and yet they failed away.

    We should be hoping for any points available next week. Otherwise poor Ospreys are in for a thorough humping!



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    #25889
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users Posts: 8,561 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    I've said it before and I'll say it again, what does McBride actually bring to the table? Very poor coach.



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    #25890
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users Posts: 11,137 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    On the game itself, a lot just went poorly for the team. The pace the Lions have makes it a dangerous one for a team that doesn't have full cohesion. Minor breakdown or miscommunication and it is a try against you. The stats tell a lot more than the score

    https://twitter.com/leinsterrugby/status/1781699805359530182

    As for seeding, I wouldnt overthink it. Once we avoid having to do a trip to SA then it shouldnt be a bother for this side (thanks Munster). Final in Glasgow would be nothing to fear for our starting team and Munster would be similar and likely end up in the Aviva, even if they do it in Munster it wouldnt be far off a 50/50 split for tickets.



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    #25891
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users Posts: 5,357 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122046963#Comment_122046963

    Has you seen him coaching or just making an assumption?



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