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Beef grazing 2024

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭Conversations 3


    Let out all my stock over the last week, ground soft but holding up.

    Back fencing them as they move along, covers are fairly heavy but hopefully I'll get through it without taking bales off.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,645 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Yearlings out yesterday, don't think ground could take anything heavier yet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 948 ✭✭✭RobinBanks


    When ye turn stock out do vaccinate or treat them for anything? Yearling cattle



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    If you have had issues with blackleg or other clostridial diseases in the past, it might be worthwhile. Here they get nothing going out the door, just a bit of hunger for half a day to get the heads down grazing quickly.

    Depending on the weather maybe a worm dose in July if hoose is a problem. Last year at the herd test in June a bit of fluke showed up an egg count. Vet said dose the poorer ones with scuttery backsides. They were out early last year and the wet march April they could have picked it up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,211 ✭✭✭893bet


    I am opposite. Prefer to have them full going out so they don’t gorge themselves. No idea why I do that really but try to have a fresh bale in front before if possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    For me it's heads down grazing straight away and less tearing around and knocking wire



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,518 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    Happy medium.

    I keep mine fairly hungry for a night before.

    Just before they go out they get a handful of hay or meal to put a dry foundation in the stomach before they gorge on damp grass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 677 ✭✭✭ABitofsense


    This how I had them going out today. Cows heads down eating straight away & just the calves running around breaking wire. I usually calve & out nearly straight away but this bad spring some are 2 months old so told them awhile to get used to the wire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,077 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I have then starved before going out. Reduced silage for 14 days before hand. Try to leave them out into a bare paddock for 48 hours. Make them work for there grub and hungry as well. No racing or pucking between themselves head down and eating and have to walk for a half full stomach take the taspie out of them

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭Who2


    the last of my sucklers went out full today by pure accident I loaded up the feed barrier without looking into the shed and when I was mealing them I seen the slats were overflowing. I just said to hell with it and opened up the gates and let them off. It’s the longest winter I ever had here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,278 ✭✭✭Packrat


    I'm down to one bale of straw and when that's trampled in, they're getting the door out. Im not going scouring the country for €65 straw bales. The few bales of silage can sit where they are until next winter.

    I'm sh1t sick of bedding them anyway and they're better off out even if I've to put them on rough ground and throw them a bag of nuts until the fionán grows up.

    The cursed sheep are eating what grass is around at the moment. A bad spring for organics - I only got (imported) slurry out on one farm a few days ago so there is less grass than usual.

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    Talking to a lad last week, he told me he put in his cattle 15th September 2023 & was hoping to let them out the weekend just gone...7 months that's a long winter that none of the experts would give you advice on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,077 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Not strictly beef grazing. This was a scarfice paddock about an acre in size that was used by different bunches of cattle from mid December on. When the weather was really ad in March there was 10-12 bullocks in it for a fortnight.

    Went at itvtiday with the chain harrow. It came up OK. Must pick the few stones, spread a bit of grass seed and fertlizer, roll it and it should be ok. Forgot to take a before photo.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,574 ✭✭✭limo_100


    that’s some job looks like a perfect seed bed. It must have being a dry acre all the same. How many runs of the harrow did that you?? Is this an acre that gets the same treatment every year ??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,077 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Have not had to really scarfice a paddock in years. I did it in over lappimg runs about 4-5 approx. Around the edges (about 2') I could not drive hard at becase I would hit a pole I reversed the frame harrow 2-3 time and it roughened up the ground and I ran it around it again slowly after. I did the same with the corners and around the ESB pole. That is a Jarmet frame chain harrow I have it over 15 years. Ya happy enough with it. Must try to get grass seed without clover as I will have weeds in it.

    Ya cheap and cheerful, bag of seed, it will not need much fertlizer as plenty of cattle sh!t on it over the last couple months. A bit of gran lime, snail pellets, maybe one dag of 18.6.12 and when it starts to grow 30-40 units of N

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,574 ✭✭✭limo_100


    I’m borrowing one of them next week to harrow some poached ground wouldn’t be as bad as yours was was just badly damaged in December last year with the cows. Gona give it fertiliser one pass and roll it. Maybe mole plough it or I can do that in the summer after a cut of hay off it. I will be buying a harrow next year. Wasn’t sure which type to go with. But I’m looking forward to trying the same type as yours next week.

    How does it work when there is abit off grass in a field does it pull it up? As I fertilised a meadow on Monday that’s was poached and I didn’t leave some tracks unfortunately was going to roll it next week but maybe I should harrow it first



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,077 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Hardest part if there is a bit of grass is keeping the front down. However it should just work away. It can be a bit sevear and bare the ground a bit. If you want to stop that lift the front slightly. Give it welly 8-10 MPH sometime a bit of grass seed in bare patches however ideally if you do that you need to be cutting it in 6-8 weeks

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,574 ✭✭✭limo_100


    I suppose that’s where the pin type Harrow would be easier in them kind of conditions. But they are two different types of harrows. I see the advantage in your type in terms of levelling land and getting rid of mole hills. I’m in no hurry to return it as all the pasture ground could do with a run of it this year but I will do them as there grazed. That would be heavy enough Harrow to still level in dry conditions wouldn’t it ?? Would you normally follow up with the roller or do u just Harrow bar when you seed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,077 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    If I put out seed I try to roll. Remember the three R's when putting out seed, Roll, roll and roll again

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,278 ✭✭✭Packrat


    Great info lads and that's a good job Bass.

    Just a question Limo, when you say molehill do you mean from moles or just lumps from ants or in general.

    As far as I knew we don't have moles here but I'm open to correction on that one?

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,574 ✭✭✭limo_100


    do you not we have loads around us 😉 only messing it’s what we call the holes left with cattle’s feet in bad weather that just fill and hold water. Also makes a travelling a field more difficult



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,392 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    did 8 acres myself this week. Finished rolling at 9:30pm last night. It was rough enough so gave it two runs of land leveller and then 2 of chain harrow and came up pretty good.

    The reseeding is probably the easy bit. The trick is in the grass management hereafter. Light and frequent grazings to keep down the old grass to allow new grass to establish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭Hershall


    Last of the cattle went out yesterday morning they were six months in the shed. Dont know who was more fed up of it myself or the cattle. First of them went out two weeks ago and thriving away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭Conversations 3


    How long after spreading protected urea until grazing?

    24 units, good shot of rain since.

    12 days ok?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    Ii hope so. Moved cattle into a paddock yesterday that got urea last Tuesday. Think it’s no harm. Heard of lads that spread with cattle in the field.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭Conversations 3


    Grand, I thought so but was doubting myself.

    Hopefully the grazing kicks off the growth.

    Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    yeah regrowth’s have been non existent. Have cattle coming round to second rotations and grass is tight.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,392 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    went out to a field this evening to shake fertiliser. It was a re seed from last September that was too wet to graze all winter and got too strong to graze so cut it for silage last Thursday. It was bone dry and never left a mark with drawing in the bales or the slurry when it went out afterwards.

    Spots of it had water lying on it this evening. Hard to turn back when the shaker is full and I just want to get it done but some sickner to be firing good fertiliser into pools of water in places.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    Wass at the same carry on myself. Thought it dried a lot today.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,238 ✭✭✭Dozer1


    Regrowth still very slow here, a few paddocks I baled as they were too strong to graze a few weeks back got a good coat of slurry and not great regrowth. At this stage might have to graze a meadow I had closed real prick of a year so far.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,278 ✭✭✭Packrat


    Yes. Similar but it's hay/silage ground which was grazed, got a serious amount of slurry and is very slow. What grass is there in my grazing ground is putting up a great battle though.

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Similar here, getting tight on grass, but the odds would be stack in our favour at this time of the year. The weather at the moment is a help



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,952 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    I offloaded a few yearling bullocks this week to reduce grass demand. I'd be grazing paddocks stopped for silage other than that.

    Grass seems to have started to come thou in the last two days, not before time.

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    Probably a very novice question but I’ve a good bit of urea and can spread on grazing ground after the first round but had to put cattle back into the paddocks quicker than I’d have liked. Maybe two weeks after the last grazing. Will the nitrogen still work after it’s grazed or does it go in the leaf of the grass that has been eaten?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    The N goes to the soil and then the plant, should be there in the background to drive growth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭morphy87


    off topic but what weight were your yearlings?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,216 ✭✭✭Good loser


    Bit of both. 'Is being eaten' rather than 'has been eaten'. Effectively you will get most of the benefit that's in the urea.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,238 ✭✭✭Dozer1


    Powerful burst of growth here today!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭tractorporn


    Tis badly wanted, i have about 10 days grazing in from of the finishing heifers and up until this weekend no regrowth even with 2 bags of pasture swarth gone out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Completely turned for the better especially over the past 3 days. Heat is in the ground now after a bit of sunshine. Grass is starting to bomb



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,471 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Is everyone fully out yet?

    Thinking about getting some out here in next few weeks. Very little stock on fields yet. How are things out west?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,518 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    Yes out. Not good your only heading out now. Is land still not trafficable?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,471 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Managed to get the silage fert spread, but there has been little growth in the grazing fields.

    In next week or so they'll have to go out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭Conversations 3


    Mine are all out, in briefly last week but out again.

    Silage ready to go this week, then pressure off for a while I hope.

    Spreading 25 units of 29-0-14+S on grazed fields this week so should see grass flying up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,077 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Wish I had a flow like this

    Solar pump up and working

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭Sillycave


    what would be a good ration to fatten cattle at grass?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,382 ✭✭✭Robson99


    Work a nut ..they wont waste as much at the trough…12-13% protein with high qty of maize



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭DBK1


    A dry 3 or 4 way mix with plenty of maize. I use a mix from a local merchant, maize, barley, soya hulls, citrus and a bit of minerals added in. Get great results with it and it’s well priced. Barley and maize make up near 3/4’s of the mix so plenty of power in it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭50HX


    Is it worth goin straight 50/50 mix maize barley?



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