Russia - threadbanned users in OP

"Both sides".

This isn't a mutual war, this isn't some squabble over territory. It's a war of choice for Russia. Ukraine has no choice. Russia is feeding lives out of choice, Ukraine is having to sacrifice out of necessity.

Russia has a much more significant and larger domestic military and production base. Which is largely untouched. This has been explained to you pretty clearly. You're ignoring it to repeat the same "I don't get it" points which is getting tiring.

"Someone should broker peace", "Putin did seem open to negotiations with Ukraine/the west in that Tucker Carlson interview."

Putin can end the war at any time by simply turning around. He bombs Ukraine 24/7 out of choice and has never suggested genuine peace.

Not following the thread so much anymore, but it's obvious your posts are a faux "confused" about the war act whilst gargling pro-Putin talking points.

Hopefully the routing on russia and its dissolution happens in the near future and these beasts are indeed made pay for their crimes against humanity.

I would like very much, after they have been rousted out of Crimea and with Ukraine on the road to moscow, for a conference to be held in Yalta, where russia's mapped-out future is openly negotiated and agreed upon. This would naturally include the publication of an endlessly-long list of wanted war criminals being instructed to hand themselves over to the ICC or face being hunted down as you have mentioned.

Jesus Christ.

This word “annexed” as in illegally invading another country is bounced around by Putins lapdogs as if it somehow has some legal definition.

Please tell me what peace deal Ukraine should look for and what Russia is looking for?

Hold up a minute, your solution to stopping more russian deaths is Tucker Carlson? You must really hate the russians or be utterly delusional.

The donations to Ukraine have been the absolute cheapest castration of a superpower the world has seen, putin has made mistake after mistake and it's only that the russians around him are too chicken to challenge him that this charade of a special operation still goes on.

Yea I take your point but we are not talking about the same regime or Russia now.

Barring a complete collapse of the Putin regime (Which does not seem likely at all) then there is no hope that they will pull out of the annexed territories by choice. So then the only option is taking it back by force, and nothing suggests that Ukraine have anywhere near the capabilities to achieve this, and it would require US/west backing on a whole other level to what we see at present to be able to achieve this.

This could well be the last big aid package to Ukraine from the USA (certainly if Trump wins in November). Europe really does need to step up now. That means ramping up production of munitions and planning for a long conflict. Yes we would all love it if Russia collapsed and melted away but it's foolish to base plans around that possibility.

Absolutely, yeah. Putin can in no way be trusted, so there must be a guarantee which would extend beyond his word.

This would probably mean Ukraine agreeing to cede some of their internationally-recognised territory, though. Crimea, at least, because I don't think NATO would want to set up in a country that is partly occupied by an aggressive neighbour.

I see one of the biggest useful idiots took the result well anyway

The "I am scandalised by people waving Ukrainian flags in congress" angle is especially disingenuous and petty.

I strongly suspect that the majority of people using it would have no problems with congressmen waving Israeli flags.

So peace on Russias terms.

Nope, the world needs to see you can’t illegally invade a country and get to keep a portion of that country.

So the war goes on until Russia goes back home.

Just noticing lots of accounts crawling out of the woodwork the last days showing so much concern for US spending and convinced of the idea that Ukraine must make a deal and they can't get their territory back. Must mean we've done something right anyway. Really nice to see. 🙂

Its funny how much pro putin commentators come out with calls for peace and doom and gloom about Ukraine's chances of defending itself from putin's terrorists just when billions of dollars of new funding for the weapons they can use to help themselves becomes available. Hope the US arms industry uses this new money now to demonstrate how well their latest weapons can make bits of putin's mob of genocidal terrorists. Modern fighter jets, Apache attack helicopters, long range missiles, proper mine clearing equipment and decent numbers of tanks could make a big deference and I don't think Ukraine will be in any mood to make moskovytes welcome to stay in Ukraine when they get better supplies of the tools to deal with them.

You're ignoring the vast difference in population, wealth, resources and technology between the 'West' & Russia and that their financial resources have their limits too.

As long as Ukraine has the will to fight, it will receive backing and if it looks like faltering, it's quite likely neighbouring states will step in with manpower. It's in none of their interests to allow the current Russian state to expand it's ambitions of restoring empire. Russian leadership and the ordinary Russian citizens will suffer more & more until they realise that a change of mind is needed and they have a place in the world but not as they currently envisage.

Can you imagine how the average Russian feels? He / She cannot even protest..and their lives are getting harder and harder each day! Increasing taxation, high inflation, Ruble devalueing, increasing shortages of basic foodstuffs and the ever-present danger of being conscripted.