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Womens' rugby Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

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  • Registered Users Posts: 84 ✭✭thamus doku


    I agree with that. The worrying thing is that it’s not a great England side and than 3 or 4 decent teams.
    it’s as you said - 4 bad teams including Ireland who will likely never beat England for the foreseeable future.
    Thus making growing the 15 game impossible. Any good back player coming through will target the 7s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,428 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    For how many years under the latter reign of Tom Tierney (RIP), Adam Griggs, and Greg McWilliams, and the directorship of Anthony Eddy has this been the refrain?

    Eight.

    For eight years they've been "starting from a very low base." And so that is a redundant statement at this point.

    For the most part I don't blame the players. Most of them are novices and many of them at a much lower standard than we had a decade ago. But when and how are the Union going to take active charge of a step-change in the husbandry of the game, and stop just shifting deckchairs?



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,915 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    As terrible as the IRFU have been for womens rugby (and they have been terrible!!).... There is a systemic problem here the the IRFU can't really fix immediately.

    There's practically no womens top level club rugby in Ireland. There are a few interpros at the beginning of the season which are marginally better than ail level. The womens ail game is stagnant with top players syphoned into three or four teams. For a lot of girls they are going from ail level to test level with feck all in-between. The wvx games certainly help, but we're only at year two of this. The IRFU cannot magic up a top club level league, unless they were to try to enter the English league with a "jaguares" type type representing Ireland. That would absolutely be very very expensive as they'd have to make all players professional AND cover travel and accommodation costs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,186 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    This this this

    We have a small base of the top level for players in ireland. And the small numbet of top players are playing for too few clubs.

    We need to get players spread across more clubs which would help develop more players.

    We then need to get provinces playing more against english? French sides and the celtic challange



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I kinda get why RTE Sport feel the need to cover these matches but it was fairly embarrassing fare today, not a good look.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,600 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    78 point defeat. How is that even called a match?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭fire_man


    Shocking result today,they are woeful to watch.Cant understand all the airtime they get on Off the ball etc.I



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,915 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    If you try 1% harder you'd actually understand…

    Here is a base level.

    Ireland mens in the six Nations during the 1990s

    When you eventually "get it" lets have a chat



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭fire_man


    They struggle with passing,tackling.Not sure what they do in these training camps.No one can critisise the team.We will hear from media they will take learnings from today!Pure rubbish.



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  • Subscribers Posts: 41,915 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    . Yep , just checked..

    Nothing from you after the Wales win . .......

    No effort to critique, therefore you get nothing today.....

    Let's try again next week shall we?

    Oh by the way, the women are playing again next week ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭fire_man


    Wales win!They are a shambles too!



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,915 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    You reckon??



  • Registered Users Posts: 239 ✭✭Fotish


    It’s all a bit of a joke ,really.

    We have to pretend that there are good women’s rugby players in Ireland , there aren’t !

    Then we have to pretend that the IRFU are at fault , they aren’t!

    Next, we have to pretend that the public are interested in supporting this stuff, they aren’t!

    Other than that everything is rosy in the garden.




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,824 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    Could both England and France field an amateur side each? And also, could they include Spain and the Netherlands and make it an 8-team tournament; two pools of 4, top two in each pool cross over for playoffs, bottom two in each pool cross over for plate playoffs. Could abbreviate it from 5 weeks to 4 weeks by just having straight playoffs across the two pools, top teams play each other, 2nd place play each other, etc.
    But the key problem is the teams are not equal, mixing professional, semi-professional, and amateur teams will not work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,186 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    No Because England and France lose out then.

    Expansion could happen as it doesn't need to match men's any more now its in its own wjndow

    Why Would cutting games be a good thing for anyone from any perspective?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,824 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    Suggestion of cutting games was only if it makes more sense.

    I’d see no reason to cut games if there were enough resources to put into it and the players wanted it.

    Perhaps a 6 team round robin is the max you’d want, maybe beyond that would need pools?

    To the first point about England and France, they aren’t getting anything out of it as it is. There are really only 3 or 4 teams in the world at that level: Eng, NZ, France, and perhaps Canada.

    At least France and England have professional leagues to play in, they would be better off having a test series instead of playing amateur sides.



  • Registered Users Posts: 239 ✭✭Fotish


    The IRFU offered 37 professional contracts to Ireland Women's Sevens and 15s players, 29 of which were taken up. 



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,824 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    It’s welcome investment into the women’s game for sure. How many gave up their jobs to train twice a day for the money they were offered? And how many continue to play but turned down the amount offered?

    It will take years for that to have an effect I’d expect. England are at a totally different level and will be for years unfortunately.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,915 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Averaging between 15k and 30k its not surprising that these contracts were mainly taken up by the very youngsters of the squad, who are based in Dublin.

    It's a start, but it's no where near the 27-35k pounds the English girls get ON TOP of their club salary (which to be fair isn't much, but for the test players even 10k it turns 35k into 45k which is certainly liveable)



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,915 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Anyway, the money is a complete red herring.

    It's that the standard of the domestic competition that the majority of Irish girls play is very poor and no where near the calibre of the English premiership where the English girls ply their trade.

    If Ireland are realistic, they should be looking to get teams involved in the premiership



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  • Registered Users Posts: 84 ✭✭thamus doku


    Exactly. If you think about it logically why would you give up the opportunity to build your career to play full time rugby in the womens game unless you were very well paid and their was a vibrant club game running in tandem with the international game.
    Lots of the Irish girls have qualifications in very well paid sectors and we all want to make money and buy a house and build a future for ourselves.

    maybe the home nations should invest in a joint club league and use that for the vehicle to push professionalism. Will have to be heavily subsidised but could be a game changer for the women’s game



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,824 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    In order to have some elite rugby teams based in Ireland playing a decent number of teams, why not have professional provincial teams where numbers of elite players are low in a province and include professional club teams where numbers are high?

    I don’t know what the distribution of the elite players is but a study of that could determine how many elite teams could be formed and where to base them in Ireland and try to get Wales and Scotland to do the same and match the level of quality, and there could be an elite league with maybe 12 teams, maybe 4 teams each.



  • Registered Users Posts: 84 ✭✭thamus doku


    Something like that Is The the way forward

    If the Irish English Welsh and Scot’s could form a league where the clubs are all owned by the unions and the governments of each country will guarantee funding I believe the private sector would also get involved. We could have a premier women’s rugby league in these islands and the best players and coaches from around the world would come to work. I think there is a real opportunity for something big to be built just like womens soccer game is growing.

    it just needs to be funded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,186 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    In what area would cutting games make sense especially in the top level of game that is the games best shot at promotion etc right now?

    Because clubs wouldn't be able to go pro? Resources aren't near enough to go pro in any way?

    Just look at recent irish squads,the AIL tables and you will see the distribution of players and how the top players àre overwhelming in just a tiny number of clubs



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,824 ✭✭✭Jump_In_Jack


    It might make sense to have 2 rounds, a gap week and 2 rounds. I’m thinking where there are 8 amateur teams and resources might be an issue.

    But obviously wouldn’t cut matches to the detriment of the sport.

    The point I was making was do a review of elite players and make a few teams based off that data, if no clubs have enough elite players then stick with provincial teams. The key idea was a small number of elite teams playing a full league of maybe 18-22 matches every season against the best players in Scotland and Wales.

    Players could also sign for the English league but would be a loss to the domestic scene.

    It would probably take a decade of annual elite league participation for the Irish players to get up to where the English players are already.

    The big question is how to fund such a league, it would be like going back to the start of the Celtic league and building it up gradually.



  • Registered Users Posts: 239 ✭✭Fotish


    One problem I see, where are these Elite players going to come from ?

    The elephant in the room, the playing pool is just too small! unlike Soccer or Gaelic football, where thousands of women participate for the love of the sport ( without renumeration ) and a small percentage make it to the Elite level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 704 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    Worth keeping in mind that if we better Italy's result (away vs Wales) in our last match (at home to Scotland) then we finish 3rd in this 6N and qualify automatically for the next World Cup finals. Exposure to high level teams helps build quality & public interest in World Cup grows the game here. It's not all doom & gloom.



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  • Subscribers Posts: 41,915 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    once we better the italian result by 3 points (to be specific)…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    I don't know about 3rd place all I wish to see is team playing with confidence and awareness. The England game might have rattled a few nerves. The first 10 minutes against Scotland will tell a lot.

    Dan.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,428 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Wales fighting, but not looking enough to turn over Italy in these last 20 minutes.

    Also, what gobshite decided to hold this in an empty Millennium stadium with the roof closed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,428 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Wales just denied a perfectly good try by incompetent officiating.

    Simply not good enough at this level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,428 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Try scored anyway off an unnecessary scrum, sparing the Refs blushes.

    Scored under the posts and conversion easily taken.

    1 minute to clock running out.



  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 8,142 ✭✭✭fitz


    Dunno about that call, looked like contact was shoulder to shoulder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,428 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    And its an unlikely Welsh victory to set up a winner take all for WRWC quali in Belfast for Ireland v Scotland!



  • Registered Users Posts: 84 ✭✭thamus doku


    I agree, losing today is not the end of the world if the performance is good. It’s all about development.
    what i want to see is the 7s players who were heralded as the game changer to actually perform

    Parsons and Higgins need to deliver. So far they have not. I don’t want to hear about what they can do, I want to see it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,428 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Poor from O'Brien missing an early touchfinder off a penalty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 84 ✭✭thamus doku


    not a big fan of her. Her kicking style is poor.



  • Registered Users Posts: 84 ✭✭thamus doku


    Djougang has better feet and finds space better than the whole Irish back line. She’s one of our few really solid players.



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  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 8,142 ✭✭✭fitz


    Scotland incredibly cynical. Has to be a card coming.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,316 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Much better from Ireland in the last ten minutes. Been putting all the pressure on Scotland in their 22 and they're conceding penalties rapidly.

    But there's just no semblance of attacking competence outside of the lineout maul which is working well. Ireland win the initial contact in the carry, but after that it's side to side with no ability to create gaps in defence.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,818 ✭✭✭Eoinbmw


    Commentary team are realy putting the foot in on the teams not realy appropriately !



  • Registered Users Posts: 84 ✭✭thamus doku


    Ireland are unlucky and could be ahead if they had a 10 and a hooker who play the basics. Jones makes too many mistakes at lineout for this level and worse she is some woman for the white line fever, some glory hunter.

    O’Brien cannot pass or kick or even tackle properly.

    Quicker both are replaced we might have a chance here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,998 ✭✭✭griffin100


    They’re certainly going overboard on it, wouldn’t happen with the men’s team.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Lineouts nowhere near straight



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  • Registered Users Posts: 84 ✭✭thamus doku


    Irelands biggest issue is from 10 to 15. . They are so poor. We actually have good forwards and a good 9.
    all this talk about breen and Higgins and parsons - they are so limited. That’s where the Irish coach has to focus all his attention on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    This is the most questionable referee I have see in a long time. N

    Dan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 704 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    Repeated infringements by Scotland without any warning from Referee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,428 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Disgraceful. They are overdue a yellow by 2 or 4 infringements at this stage.

    And in fairness to Sam Monaghan she is appealing up to the limit of decorum.



  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 8,142 ✭✭✭fitz


    Ireland robbed in that scrum - should have been their put in the first place, and then should have been a penalty for them, not Scotland.

    Stunned there wasn't a yellow for the last penalty in the Scotland 22 as well - so many repeated infringements.



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