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Anybody used/speced the concrete + poly beads as an insulated floor

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 398 ✭✭Biker1


    The 0.043w/mk thermal conductivity says it all. You would need a fair depth to achieve even the backstop u-value in Part L



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,770 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    Well, that was not the question, however it's on a 300 slab on clay and the BRE calculator gives me 0.15 for 190 mm

    so courses for horses😂

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,785 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    How did you arrive at that conclusion?
    100mm should exceed me the min without much difficulty. Assuming around .022w/mk then a 200mm slab at .043 would perform better than that again. The minimum for compliance might be 170mm, which is very thin for a slab on ground.

    The issue as I can see is the strength not the thermal insulation.

    Check the grade quoted above. I understand is that the lightest grade requires a sub-slab. If you have 300mm, you might be better off with the stronger, but less thermal grade. Unless I'm misunderstanding the 300mm slab on clay part.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,770 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    M, did some more asking : the 300 slab is actually a fully designed reinforced raft foundation slab.

    The slab on clay piece is a reference to if in the calculator I change it to rock or crushed stone, it exceeds the 0.15 Part L😀

    Have been in touch with the supplier who says the high-grade can work on 804, am exploring for my own reno as am digging out 550

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 398 ✭✭Biker1


    Why are you assuming a thermal conductivity of 0.022w/mk. The declared value is 0.043w/mk. As you can see from the attached pdf 220mm is required to hit a u-value of 0.15w/m2k. There is also a finished screed required on top which means an extra layer of blocks compared to the use of PIR insulation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,785 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    I think you’ve misunderstood my post.

    I assumed .022 because that’s the performance of 100mm phenolic insulation using in flooring (eg K3). I was comparing to that (which achieve ~0.16)

    A typical slab of 200mm, at a conductivity of .043 exceeds the above (obviously as it’s <2x the conductivity). So I was wondering how you concluded that you’d need a “fair depth” at .043? Given 200mm is a typical slab thickness (which this replaces).

    The actual TGD min is 0.18, you’ve achieve that with 170mm.


    Edit: ah, I see the issue now. In you calc you’re swapping it in directly for a normal insulation layer. With +225mm other conc/screed build up. In that case I agree, what’s the point.

    But I see the application of thermal aggregate being, single layer insulating and structural slabs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,770 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    re which means an extra layer of blocks compared to the use of PIR insulation

    I dont get this

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,393 ✭✭✭Tefral


    Its used on pretty much every housing estate job im involved in now. They get through some amount of it in a day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,770 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    Where do they put the services: eg sewer pipes etc?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,393 ✭✭✭Tefral


    In it.

    These are the lads i see doing alot of it. You can see whats happening in the videos https://www.linkedin.com/posts/gareth-devlin-7904a5111_a-wet-start-on-site-with-premier-floor-screed-ugcPost-7122170126707118080-H4ea?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop



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