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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭thomil


    Depending on which squadron those Rafale belong to, it could also be a show of force, a reminder that France has more than just it's submarines for that special type of "sunshine in a can". Remember, the Rafale can carry the ASMP nuclear-tipped cruise missile and Rafales supported by A330MRTT or KC-135 would be a typical "package" for that type of mission.

    Do I think it's likely? No, and even if it is, I would highly doubt that the aircraft in question would be carrying live missiles, they're too valuable for that. But it is a possibility, especially since I don't remember the French Air Force deploying in this manner before.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,879 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Didn't know that (?), though I would have assumed FBI/local police would be investigating it, regardless of how clear cut the cause is, given the massive amount of death and destruction.

    I suppose one could get paranoid and head off into conspiracy-theory land in ones thinking quite easily, typically an accident really is an accident!

    I expect it is European countries that have most to worry about as regards any Russia-generated deniable "accidents".



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    I agree .. most likely conspiracy theories gone wild. Cannot remember where I saw it. But in the times we are in if it turned out that way I would not be surprised.

    This is the FBI investigation:



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Oh Look …

    2/ Lavrov is the first senior Kremlin official to outright identify the city as a possible Russian operational objective following recent Ukrainian warnings that Russian forces may attempt to seize the city starting in Summer 2024.

    3/ Lavrov stated during a radio interview with several prominent Russian state propagandists on April 19 that Kharkiv City “plays an important role” in Putin’s idea of establishing a demilitarized “sanitary zone” in Ukraine to protect Russian border settlements from Ukrainian strikes.

    4/ Lavrov stated that Putin has very clearly stated that Russian forces must push the frontline far enough into Ukraine – which Lavrov explicitly defines as into Kharkiv Oblast – to place Russian settlements outside of the Ukrainian strike range.

    5/5 This requirement is a very vague definition that could include the entirety of Ukrainian territory as long as an independent Ukrainian state exists and is willing to defend itself.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,413 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    There was some serious farm related and food stock fires and explosions in the US these past two years. The conspiracists in the US were off on the one world order stuff. In my little pea brained head I was blaming Russia. The Russian terrorist on the Internet would blame a one world order over themselves. Russians are fairly obsessed with foodstocks as it is and believe it's one way to use as a weapon.

    The sooner the Putin terrorist government is finished anyway the safer the world will be.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 255 ✭✭vswr


    UK RC-135 is usually escorted by Typhoons from Akrotiri… but with the Iran/Israel saga, the US have pulled air support from Operation Inherent Resolve (ops against ISIS et el in Syrian and Iraq) and the RAF have been backfilling.

    I imagine the FAF are backfilling the RAF escort duties for the RC-135.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    @TheValeyard Update on this.

    And @thomil - Re Rafale fighters

    Supporting this flight along the Romanian coast, a French Air Force Airbus A330MRTT (reg. F-UJCP) refueled two French Navy Rafale fighters (f/n FNY5811/2) which took off from the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle, yesterday departed from the base in Toulon.

    The fighters were refueled first west of Corsica and then again over eastern Romania. The exact whereabouts of the Rafale jets are uncertain due to strong jamming, although a plot appeared south of Crimea.

    However, the area’s jamming interference makes it difficult to confirm if the track was not an “echo” of another position.

    Ensuring air control of the area was a French Air Force Boeing E-3F (reg. 702), which took off from Avord Air Base in central France.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Some evening deranged Russian listening for ye:

    One Comment to that tweet :D

    The Russians versus the Mexican drug cartels ... now there is a fight I'd pay to see.



  • Registered Users Posts: 255 ✭✭vswr


    There'll be an element of that, but, I think the simplest answer is, it's a defensive measure… like they're doing at all major installations.

    Jamming horizon is around 420km for aircraft at 32,000ft + … Russia are just about doing 300km at all sites max.

    It doesn't take too much power to jam GPS, if they wanted to max it, they could easily and annoy even more countries.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    ”So, like, Prigozhin marching on Moscow, it's gonna look something like that.

    And like when Prigozhin marches on Moscow and he lands in a city and everybody welcomes him and like, then goes to the store and buys stuff like nothing happened.

    It's gonna be like that. It's gonna be uncanny. It's gonna look weird from the outside, but it's gonna feel normal to Russians.”

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/04/21/timothy_snyder_the_west_needs_to_accept_that_regime_change_in_russia_will_look_odd_and_scary_but_we_cant_control_it.html

    Thought that was an interesting read of what the coming collapse of last European empire fighting its last colonial war will look like from history professor Timothy Snider



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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,367 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Some very interesting points:

    "Our conceit is the notion that, well, something that we could do might make Russia normal, which is like the great fantasy of the 1990s, right? Like there are things we could have done better in the 90s and things we could have done better since… I think that's a lesson that we should learn, that whether Russia invaded Ukraine was not up to us, and what happens in the aftermath is also not up to us, not just in a moral sense, but also in a practical sense. It's unlikely that we're going to be able to affect it very much."

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    McConnell's one redeeming feature is that he's not on the pro-Russian wing of the Republican party



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,025 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Ah Tucker, looks like it's not an act and he really is batsh!t insane.

    https://www.dailydot.com/debug/tucker-carlson-ufo-evolution-joe-rogan/



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Very interesting this .. well worth the read - one tweet:



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,413 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    An American dope changed citizenship to have a Russian passport. Went to Donetsk to fight alongside the nazis. Because he believed in the nazis. 10 years later the nazis called him a spy and kidnapped, tortured and killed him. Russel Bentley had the callsign "Texas". Forever remembered as a dope.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,413 ✭✭✭✭Say my name




  • Registered Users Posts: 82,387 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    All that is left is Biden’s signature and the world’s best logistics machinery kicks into gear.



  • Registered Users Posts: 156 ✭✭Roald Dahl


    There is an article in Der Spiegel about a German AfD representative who was being monitored by he Czech security authorities as part of their investigation into Voice of Europe, a vatnik propaganda outlet operating in Prague.

    It seems he was caught on tape complaining that his kgb handlers had paid him in €200 notes and that he wasn't able to conveniently "launder" such large denominations in shops and petrol stations.

    I'm absolutely delighted for him.

    I'm also holding out further in the hope that some Irish names will emerge out of this affair.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    Somewhere in an Irish wing of eu parliament offices one could hear sounds of cups breaking and the following being exclaimed

    “Wait Vanya?! getting paid was an option?”

    IMHO our lot would betray the people of this country and EU citizens they are meant to represent for free



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Ukraine: US doubles down, Russia is cool
    M. K. BHADRAKUMAR

    That is to say, in effect, the direct military assistance to Ukraine will actually amount to about $13.8 billion till end-2024. The Russian experts estimate that this allocation rules out another Ukrainian “counteroffensive.” But that is small comfort, since the increased flow of US weaponry will beef up the Ukrainian military capability to withstand the Russian offensive, which cannot but impact the present balance of forces at the front.
    <snip>
    From a military angle, in immediate terms, the cutting edge of the aid bill lies in the fact that it opens the gateway for the transfer to Ukraine of tactical missile systems [ATACMS] capable of hitting targets at a distance of up to 300 km, which brings Crimea within its range. Reportedly, French troops are already on the ground in Odessa numbering 1000 and another contingent is expected shortly. This was of course forecast a few weeks ago by the Russian foreign intelligence but Paris had flatly denied it. (here and here)

    The bottom line here is that the aid package aims on the one hand to avoid a catastrophic military situation arising at the front in the coming months, which could be politically damaging for Biden’s re-election bid, while on the other hand, the bulk of funds actually goes to the US arms manufacturers in some key “swing states” and gratifies the influential military-industrial complex and the Deep State. source



    A view from Douglas MacGregor written in the American conservative:

    Is It Game, Set, Match to Moscow?
    Douglas Macgregor

    and in Foreign policy magazine the US establishment is asking out loud that the EU needs to send it's men in.

    Europe—but Not NATO—Should Send Troops to Ukraine
    Alex Crowther, Jahara Matisek, and Phillips P. O’Brien

    To Halt Russia’s Advance, Kyiv Needs More Boots on the Ground

    A taboo has broken in Europe. Only a few months ago, it would have been inconceivable for European leaders to propose sending European troops to Ukraine. But on February 26, French President Emmanuel Macron said the deployment of European forces to Ukraine could not be “ruled out.” Since then, other European officials have joined the chorus; the Finnish defense minister and Polish foreign minister have both suggested that their countries’ forces could end up in Ukraine. These comments, combined with preexisting support for such measures in the Baltic states, show that there is a growing bloc of countries open to direct European intervention in the war. source


    meanwhile, Two years of war have impoverished many Ukrainians and the defense lines of the Ukrainian army are in the process of breaking down. No doubt there will be many contributors on this thread anxious to prevent that and are as we speak on their way to the Eastern front to provide their services. We have a rather ugly situation where the funds are just to keep the conflict going so neither side in the US can be blamed for a collapse pre-election while the EU populations are being slow walked into battle. It's obvious since the start of the year that all those retired military men coming out and saying their armies are not ready, implies that politicians across the EU are figuring the same, the Ukranian army cannot push the Russians out, and with so many elections underway they also do not want a sudden collapse impacting elections.


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    Anyone else find it hilarious that the best response that the Human Amplifiers of Russian Propaganda (HARPies?) can come up with to events of this week is faked concern for Ukraine, which however mysteriously doesn’t extend as far as the blindingly obvious solution in which the Russians go home (and remain alive)



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,610 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Do you think 1000 French troops are on the ground in Odessa?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,432 ✭✭✭RedXIV


    I cannot stress enough how big a deal this would be for China to get these sanctions, these could very well prove to be one of the key moves of all the sanctions packages we've seen to date as China cares, more than anything else, about China and it's been dancing over a precarious economic position for a number of years now. If this is enacted, it could very well start a chain reaction in China and it could self-implode. Obviously they know this themselves, so even if they do keep up trade with Russia, I have to imagine the additional levels of stealth needed to do so to avoid this sanction is going to make it even more expensive for the russians. I'm actually kind of impressed US decided to move on this



  • Registered Users Posts: 99 ✭✭randomuser02125


    Not sure what you were trying to say but when I see a post quote Douglas MacGregor I just think TSDR. Too stupid didn't read. Apologies if you had an actual point.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,703 ✭✭✭✭briany


    That's not a new talking point. It may go dormant for a bit, but it comes up again and again.

    "YesyesyessomethingsomethingRussiabadbuchaetc, but the WEST….omg NATO."

    You know how in TV and movies when two mafiosos walk into a neighbourhood shop and say to the owner, "Look, we're nice guys. Give us 50 percent and we'll stay nice. We don't want no trouble, here."? Well, by the trollish line of argument, it's actually the owner who's the arsehole if they resist. He won't give them 50 percent. He hates peace.

    Let us all take this line of reasoning forward in our lives. If someone ever tries to steal from you, let them have what they want without complaint. Why you got to make trouble?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    This aged like a head of lettuce 🥬 left on a window cell in full sunlight ☀️



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Russia will have to be changed by Russians, but that change will be shaped by external events.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭aidanodr




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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Russia is not a country, its one large piece of real estate run by a gangland consortium .. the gangland boss being Putin. Its been ever thus, right from the early days on the streets of St Petersburg

    Russian minister accused of bribery appears in court

    Russia's deputy defence minister has been charged amid accusation of large-scale bribery.

    Mr Ivanov, who had been in his role for eight years, was in charge of large construction projects rebuilding the eastern Ukrainian city of Mariupol, which was taken by Russia after heavy bombardment.

    https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-russia-war-latest-putin-live-updates-sky-news-blog-12541713?postid=7577396#liveblog-body

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-deputy-defence-minister-detained-bribe-allegations-officials-say-2024-04-23/

    Comment on de twitter about this:

    In Russia, you can accept bribes, but not "on a particularly large scale", unless you share part of the profit with your superior. He should know that.



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