2024 Irish EV Sales

The counter argument to that is the same posters keep going on about how it’s shocking people still drive diesel and that there’s an EV for everyone- which there isn’t.
So it’s fair enough for people to retort those posters claims as false.

Can you quote the post says it's shocking to drive a diesel and theres an EV for everyone (whatever that means).

And yet Im continuously reading negative views expressed about PHEV/Hybrid on here. Nothing wrong with that btw, people are entitled to their opinions

oh I thought this was a public forum?

No he told an individual poster to buy what he/she wants which is certainly a step in the right direction.

Speaking of strawmen 🤣

No he told an individual poster to buy what he/she wants which is certainly a step in the right direction.

The meaning of the word "someone" appears to elude you.

And those aren't strawman arguments. They're reductio ad absurdum.

The original point was simply that if there were affordable EV's capable of 400km winter motorway range at 120kmph - (split across one or many return journeys!), then the range and price arguments would largely be satisfied for the vast majority of drivers.

It’s a thread about marketwide EV sales - reducing it to each posters individual requirements is all moot.

The question is simply: if EVs arent selling right now, then what needs to change to satisfy the broader market? Range and price have improved recently, but need to improve more.

hardly any more exhausting than telling people who own an EV and have experience of living with one, who also have the same experience of ICE vehicles, why EVs don't work.

again though - this is a thread about why EV sales in Ireland are dropping and not exponentially climbing with wide market adoption. We’re discussing what might cause that, specifically price and range. There doesn’t have to be an ICE equivalent. There’s still a massive education gap with EVs for the wider market buyer, who doesn’t care about the propulsion system of their vehicle

Ive owned 2 EVs over the past 10 years and still driving them. They suit me, but I honestly believe most EV drivers are like Trump supporters. They just cant see past their own nose on the subject. One woman tried to convince me that she had never ever had to queue at a charger. While she was telling me this she was 4th in the queue behind me.

What you're demonstrating is you can make an EV it work depending on your priorities and needs.

If someone decides it's not for them, they don't want to make it work. That's ok, it's right for them.

I don't think every EV thread should be drowning in all this trolling, it's just spam. I suggest people put the repeat offenders on ignore.

company car BIK makes an EV a no-brainer if you can make it work at all. Those people are happy to shoe-horn the car into their needs, which is fair.
im surrounded by that type of EV driver in my commuter area. One person uses a pool car for a regular ish Dublin-Cork return drive, and ID4 for everything else.

I know what you mean, but dismissing something you disagree with as ‘fud’, even if you’re correct in that assertion, is never going to win any argument.
personally I think the wider makes just doesn’t care about cars and/or EVs.
it’s the future, so everyone will get there eventually, but the product offering needs to continue iterating for a few years more for sure

both equally exhausting and ineffective

thats horse manure to be fair, as i said EV drivers have experience of both sides of the debate, most of the naysayers dont. Anecdotes dont change that.

Personally i have never queued at a charger in 4 years of ev driving, im sure others have but the reality for me is 95% of our charging is at night at home and the odd fast charge we have needed has been painless (and fast).

loads of words. Nothing meaningful.
Few will turn straight around. Instead they’ll be onsite for several hours purchase nowhere to charge.
20 minute chargers aren’t really a thing. There’s often Q’s and they charging takes longer.
Last thing people want is to stop off for 20-40 minutes for a charge. Especially ever day

Millions? As of the last census we had over 2.1 million private dwellings of which 200k were apartments.

Not much point in engaging with fud if being correct is is irrelevant. They aren't interested in being informed.

From the same census we know that there were ~400k (not including local authority which are mostly single houses) rented from that 2.1 million. Unless the occupancy rate is »=5, you won't have millions. And if that's the average occupancy rate, then our population would be > 10 million. Which it's not.

Include local authority and you get the picture. Go to any flats in Dublin and they are full of cars and rarely you will see an EV. Same in housing estates owned by local authorities. Unless government address the charging issues moving to EVs with the rates they are expecting will not happen any time soon.

I'd have bought an EV even if it cost similar as petrol. Just suits my use better.

I live in a private estate with 300 units - mix of houses and duplexes, we don't have designated parking but Management Company will install chargers in a space on request (obviously install must be fully paid and approved contractor etc) - problem is, if everyone decided now, or at some point in the future to take up a charger install our wiring and substation could not cope - so, as well as installing the wiring etc the wiring and sub station needs to be upgraded and that cost will fall on the residents as a whole plus, none of the chargers will be attached to my private meter so I would not get the benefit of cheap overnight electricity (the spaces are not adjacent to units and as stated already, there is no specific allocation anyhow).

So, yes technically all 300 units could go EV but to install infrastructure is not going to be anywhere near straightforward and I am sure that will apply in many other of our estates.

Sure we can say it's not millions without access but scratch below the surface of any property without a private driveway and you very quickly run into various issues.

I can only repeat what we have been told by the Managing Agent - perhaps they are wrong, perhaps you are - time will tell on this one.

Would not suprise me if the builder put in the minimum KW they could get away with - they cut every other corner (early 2000's build).