2024 Irish EV Sales

The woke EV illuminati strike again!

you know this is the EV & Hybrid section, right?

Can you explain what "woke" has to do with my comment?

"...alertness to racial prejudice and discrimination.."

Where is the strawman?

This:

It must be exhausting spending so much time trying to persuade people to buy something they don't want.

He literally (in the literal meaning of the word) told people to buy what they want. The strawman is pretending he said the opposite and trying to argue that.

Well in our place we have a car allowance and mileage. So people have got whatever they want. Most engineers and salespeople are on EVs. Tesla the most popular with salespeople, although now that there's more options being released every month, there's almost as many other brands in the last year, as Teslas. A few BMWs, BYDs, Kias, Hyundais. Still a few ICEs, but getting less and less, pretty much everyone upgrading is going EV.
Field engineers mostly EVs, bigger spread of brands though, and less of the saloon types (no BMWs, BYD Seals), more SUV/hatchbacks.
Pretty much everyone sees the fuel savings as a major plus, and having to take 20mins to charge, on company time, isn't an inconvenience at all. It's getting easier and easier every month, as plenty of locations where you'd stop for breakfast/lunch anyway have EV chargers installed. EVs are no-brainers for us.

A company that is supplying the vehicles under a scheme will have to work out what brands/models they offer that fit their requirements, same as most companies do now with ICEs.

Sure, and I still do too. I never said nobody does.

Those that do still have another 10+ years of driving diesels if they want, 6 to buy a new one (at least), and maybe some manufacturer will bother to come up with a 1000km range EV for the tiny edge case crybabies that are incapable of stopping for 20mins to charge during the working day. Realistically though pretty much no manufacturer is going to do it, and the focus is/will be on faster charging (800V/250kW+), along with the continued rollout of more charging stations. I'm sure by the early 2030s, those that have to drive from Belfast to Cork, and immediately turn around and drive home again, will get over the upsetting fact that they might have to stop the car for a little while at some point. Until then, they can keep driving their diesels.

Thanks for the latin lesson welcome or otherwise

unlikely, they would then want 600km. Also whats affordable? what ICE car are you holding up as the end goal for EVs?

A very balanced approach by the company. Let people make up their own mind..no brow beating or banning any option. As you say at this point the majority will already opt for EVs because they are the better option for them and Im sure in the not too distant future it will be the vast majority or all. Im also sure this transition to EVs will be replicated across the broader population in the not too distant future, subject to more convenient charging options coming on stream for drivers without driveways.

Far better approach that resorting to using terms like 'cry babies' to describe people not yet willing to move to EVs.

My first car was a 1996 ford fiesta. It was a good old endura badged kent engined 1.3 petrol. And I loved that yoke. Its range on a good day was 350km. Another favorite car of mine over the years was my GMC sierra 1500. 5.7 v8 petrol. Its range on a good day was about 400km. One of my current EVs, a base model Tesla, can exceed both of those without charging, or at worst, a 10 minute stop if it's all motorway.

We're already past the point of per tank range, it's now back to the fuel up time.

(PS, I have 3 EVs but for fun I drive my w210 6 cylinder petrol merc, I play both sides of this debate)

I know what you’re saying and I agree - but again yours is a very specific case, and those are two classic cars. My son has a new fiesta and does 650km of non-motorway driving. Individual examples have no real bearing on the debate

Irish drivers are buying tiguans and Tuscans and whatever - that’s who you need to change to an EV - and the medium EV market is pretty narrow right now

That's feels like how long is a piece of string. It's just constantly moving goal posts.

It's impossible to educate when we are being bombarded by fud.

This is the way.

i was quoting a post where you said if an ev could do 400km at motorway speeds in the winter at an affordable price then people would buy, im asking whats affordable, what is the ICE car that you would point to and say emulate this (form factor, price, performance) with 400km of winter motor way range and people will buy.

I used to drive from Limerick to Dublin and back again to transport my son and his stuff to college, several times a year, on one tank of petrol. That's about 400km.

It's may be easy and convenient for home owners to switch to EVs but reality we have millions living in apartments, flats, rented houses which have no cheap and convenient ways of powering their vehicles. If one has no ability to charge at home with night rates or discounted rates there is no financial benefit of owning an EV with current rates at charging stations.

Does that include flats? Some people in flats and apartments have 2-3 cars especially if they are shared. Also a lot in rented house which landlords not always willing to install chargers. Yes possible millions instantly out of EV market.

That car would be useless today. People need 700-1000+ on one tank of fuel. Even if they only do it once, or never do it. They want a car that can do 1000k even in they never do it.

Personally I wouldn't buy an EV without a home charger. But others on these forums have and made it work.

Same here, unless I can charge at work or without home charger EVs makes very little if any financial sense. I don't think many buys EVs to save the world :D

There are a few things that will hold up EV transition. First and most talked about is charging. Its all good if you have a driveway and can charge your car. There was supposed to legislation passed so apartment owners can get an individual chager installed. I dont know where that is. You also then have houses with no driveway. How are they supposed to charge. Are they expected to pay for far more expensive public charging while someone with their own home charger gets to charge at upto a 5th of the price. Or will the local councils allow them to intall home charging polls to the side of their house so they can charge on the public road. Doubt it.

A bigger issue imo is the availability and pricing of secondhand EV in the next 6 years. If only people with home charging are going to buy them then the second hand market demand if there cannot be met. I am not well knowledged on the esecond hand ice car market. How many are sold each year and what is the average price paid. A lot of people wont buy new or nearly new cars. They buy older cheap cars. So when will a EV become viable for them to buy.

Personally I am in favour of EV particularly in cities. But i see this all ending in a mess. CEO of toyota has stated that he sees EVs only making up 30% of market share and i can see that being true.

I personally drive a diesel ATM. I have no intention changing my car now as I have other things i want to spend my money on. My car suits me as i need to drive long distance every 2 weeks. When i fill my tank i get 900km. If i was to change i would definatly look at the likes of a BYD Seal as it might work for me. I was listening to a dealer lately from the USA and he was saying that his clients are turning away from EVs due to lack of chargers available and not the lenght of time to charge.

A typical home charging point delivers 7.2kW, around the same as consumed by an electric oven + hob or electric shower. Also, charging mostly happens at night when other appliances are not in use and wind generation is at its highest. Why would that require a sub station upgrade?

I’m just surprised it’s an issue, maybe the sub station is already at capacity due to other pressures.