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George Nkencho shooting *Mod warning Added to OP*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 628 ✭✭✭Meeoow


    Kraftwerk wrote: »
    The last I seen of the original one it had reached about 22k, the target was changed to 30k and the description changed from helping pay for the funeral to help cover legal fees.
    .

    I doubt they will have legal fees. Will this qualify for free legal aid?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭Masala


    Kraftwerk wrote: »
    The last I seen of the original one it had reached about 22k, the target was changed to 30k and the description changed from helping pay for the funeral to help cover legal fees.

    There was a second one that was at about 1500 quid too. At one point there were 9 pages but only the first two were funded.

    I presume the first two were cashed out.

    I see another GFM page for his funeral...... yer man is aiming for €5,000 to cover the funeral. How many funerals can a guy have??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Burkie1203 wrote: »

    Are the schools not doing their bit, ok, parents too ? But when we live in a society that shows young people defending and sympathizing with a fûcking lunatic who had a knife, stabbing or cutting somebody with it, attacking Gardai with it.... over his poor victims...

    I’m loathe to think what state this country will be in , in about 25 years when these fûcking knuckle headed woke muppets have a vote and a say in the running of things...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,531 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    sonofenoch wrote: »
    'As a white Irish mother with children of Nigerian heritage I felt compelled to speak out.'


    cough cough ahem say no more

    Does she feel compelled to stand up for Nigerian children accused of witchcraft and made to live as outcasts in Nigerian communities living off of scraps and beaten and chastised for the bad luck they supposedly bring?

    On the whole, Ireland is a much safer and more tolerant place to be a Nigerian than Nigeria itself particularly in light of the real police brutality Nigerian people face in their own country on a daily basis (12 protestors shot dead by police in Lagos in October of last year for example).

    Nigerian government officials making statements about police brutality in Ireland are utterly contemptible when this is taken into consideration.

    Ireland is not an institutionally racist country and our police force aren't either.

    George Nkencho was a troubled man who made some dreadful decisions leading to his death but he wasn't shot for being black. Anyone who can't comprehend that is not worthy of being listened to.

    Glazers Out!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Some lad on rte tommy tiernan talking about the woes of being a black irish citizen from guess where in all the coutries of africa???...NIGERIA....home of the infamous 419 email scam fraud amongst other things..quite the flair for self pity and parasitic exported criminal families


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,404 ✭✭✭1874


    Kivaro wrote: »
    I know it is RTE, but I wonder if Tommy asked his guest about the Nigerian gangs trafficking children into Ireland for sex? Link here.
    Of course he didn't.

    There is a reason why the Irish Media are not asking any hard questions about the background of the George Nkencho shooting. Because if they did, the biggest can of worms that ever existed, would spill out into the open. Irish mainstream media obviously believe that to delve into the reasons why George Nkencho thought he was above the law, would show that there is a new segment of our society who believe that they are untouchable. They just have to utter the "R" word.


    I just dont know what to say, children!, fair play for the irish examiner for reporting on it?, this is the failure of an open, unregulated immigration policy, honestly, we need to take an Australian outlook on this, a be more inflexible and really anyone coming here needs to be strictly vetted and on a points system, anyone that is involved in any kind of crime (even from within the EU) needs to be deported and banned from reentering, I was told this wasnt possible but later that its not true and we dont have to follow if we please.
    Time to crack down, not saying everyone is involved but, with the numbers tying up immigration, no one can check who is who or genuine or not, fast track cases and stop admitting anyone that doesnt have employment from within the EU or an invitation to a job if outside the EU.
    On this alone, Id be in favour of ID cards and for civil liberties I was against ID cards, either legit drivers licence, passport or State ID.
    Any liberal lefties alright with kids being raped?


    Im not suggesting that chap George was involved in this, but I think this was not hsi first rodeo regarding crime, no one just ups and takes a knife to the shops, incidents with his own family. State needs to take a harder line and redouble their efforts to rid this country of a lot of people here who add nothing, but take from the system, nigerians thinking this country is racist, thats a joke, if their parents came here and they cant get it together with our schools and supports compared to Nigeria or whatever country they came from then they were never going to make it, arriving here is like winning the lotto.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,347 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    Kraftwerk wrote: »

    Just donated now myself thanks to your link.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,485 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    Kivaro wrote: »
    I know it is RTE, but I wonder if Tommy asked his guest about the Nigerian gangs trafficking children into Ireland for sex? Link here.
    Of course he didn't.
    Sorry why would you expect him to be answerable for the crimes of people he's only connected to through nationality?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,404 ✭✭✭1874


    rusty cole wrote: »
    Some lad on rte tommy tiernan talking about the woes of being a black irish citizen from guess where in all the coutries of africa???...NIGERIA....home of the infamous 419 email scam fraud amongst other things..quite the flair for self pity and parasitic exported criminal families
    TheChizler wrote: »
    Sorry why would you expect him to be answerable for the crimes of people he's only connected to through nationality?


    I think the jist of it was the woes of being a black irish citizen, its stated he was from Nigeria, but we live in one of the most liberal western societies, seems a bit unreasonable to criticise Ireland and its faults when no where is perfect but being here is like the lotto compared to Nigeria and actual police murders or even the US, but we are not supposed to challenge what George did or other problems brought here, because the mainstream media wouldnt dare ask about problems or even suggest there is fault.

    It doesn't matter, this thread jumped the shark ages ago. Anything goes now.
    Clicks and likes and all that. We're supposed to argue against posts like this in a vain justification to keep the thread going.


    I suppose what happens when mainstream media has an almost blanket refusal to deal with real problems and when the state wont challenge wrongdoing, thats my take.


    There isnt a policy to murder black people, the chap was acting a way that was criminal, there is a problem in Ireland, Id say its a lack of a grip on reality if whats being said about racism is thought to be true.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    rusty cole wrote: »
    Some lad on rte tommy tiernan talking about the woes of being a black irish citizen from guess where in all the coutries of africa???...NIGERIA....home of the infamous 419 email scam fraud amongst other things..quite the flair for self pity and parasitic exported criminal families

    Lagos is 7752 kilometers from Dublin. On a good day 14-20 hours traveling time.

    Why did they come here ? How did they get here ? There are ZERO.. direct flights... !

    If they arrive in the UK, surely they get refused entry...? No visa ? Can’t just arrive in Gatwick and say.. “ it’s alright, I’m just connecting through to Dublin...I want they give us a house and money and a nice place to live “.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,066 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Thread is constantly going off topic and the latest warning post #7802 has been ignored yet again.

    Thread closed


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,066 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Thread reopened in light of today's developments

    This is not to turn into a race/multiculturalism issue or it'll be closed again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,600 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I think that a '' No Prosecution'' was the correct decision by the DPP. The Gardai had no other choice as the tasers didn't work and the deceased kept threatening and attempting to stab them. The people inside his house didn't even intervene to allow him inside. They obviously knew what he was like when he was angry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,704 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Relief for the Garda. Dreadfully long wait to get to today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,054 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    The right decision.

    No chance the Garda in question wanted to kill a person that day. With all of the evidence at hand, it was just the last resort.

    Glad it is over now at least for the Garda, probably not for the family as this will open up wounds again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,978 ✭✭✭standardg60


    There is no right thinking person alive who would see it as anything other than the correct decision.

    The issue is why these things take so long.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,661 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Sad end to a sad story.

    There was no wrongdoing by AGS.

    Tough on the family.

    RIP George.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,465 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Very much appears to be the right decision, and while there are questions about the length of time it took to come to the decision, I do think it is absolute right and proper that it goes through the process. The line of argument that you can't second guess people in the heat of the moment is what leads you down the worrying path of policing we see in some other jurisdictions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Oh, I'm sure this will be a very reasonable discussion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭GIMP


    Correct decision, but according to the media the family is going to appeal which I think is a wrong decision to prolonged this! I am not sure what they are looking to gain from it?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,872 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    The family that wouldn't let him in, are appealing?

    Will they sue, get NGO help, we have heard before outrageous claims in cases

    They should let it just be done, over



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 925 ✭✭✭thegame983


    A moments silence for the race baiting Irish media who so desperately wanted their own George Floyd moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭GIMP


    Unless the motivation now is 💶 💶,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,134 ✭✭✭CollyFlower


    The right decision was reached.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,054 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Oh dear.

    I can't understand why they would want to do this, but I am not in this position either. It is an awful situation, but appealing won't make it any better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,872 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Relatives of George Nkencho, the young black man shot dead by gardaí outside his home, have filed personal injury actions against the Garda Commissioner.

    The proceedings have been initiated in the High Court by two siblings who came on the scene in the direct aftermath of the shooting.

    The Irish Independent understands the cases involve claims for nervous shock and allegations of negligence and breach of statutory duty by gardaí.

    Mr Nkencho (27), a young Dubliner of Nigerian background, was shot outside his family home in Clonee on December 30, 2020.

    Gardaí had been called to an incident nearby involving Mr Nkencho, who had allegedly assaulted a shop assistant and was reported to be brandishing a knife.

    https://m.sundayworld.com/crime/courts/george-nkenchos-relatives-sue-garda-commissioner-over-impact-of-fatal-shooting/41691986.html

    However, the hearing was adjourned following an application from the Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission, which is investigating the incident.

    Members of Mr Nkencho’s family were in the house when the shooting occurred.

    The Garda Commissioner, Minister for Justice and the Attorney General are named as defendants in the civil proceedings being taken by Mr Nkencho’s relatives.

    (I am guessing now might file again)

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/george-nkenchos-family-to-appeal-dpp-decision-not-to-prosecute-gardai-involved-in-his-shooting/a1565923651.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,829 ✭✭✭irishproduce


    Right decision I think. You can't have guards dithering over a life and death decision when confronted by a manic man wielding a knife. Are our guards dispensable such that we'd allow them risk being killed themselves rather than act in the way they've been trained. I hope not

    "Solicitor for the family read a statement"

    Anyone know how that works? Is the solicitor pro bono or is it some form of free legal aid? I can't imagine they're paying out thousands for a solicitor to read something on their behalf



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,233 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,181 ✭✭✭Augme


    Pretty certain when you shoot someone six times, you want to kill them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,054 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    You mean after he was told to drop the knife multiple times, right? After he attacked someone with that knife and was trying to get into the house full of people.

    Don't start this crap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭Tork


    Glad to see the right decision was made here. With the times we live in today, you never know what way these decisions will go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,233 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,978 ✭✭✭standardg60


    I'm also pretty certain that if someone lunged at me with a large knife I'd shoot them as many times as I could to stop them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,181 ✭✭✭Augme


    I was just pointing out what you said was incorrect. Shoot someone six times and you mean to kill them. It's not rocket science.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,978 ✭✭✭standardg60


    You can be sure the solicitor is rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of a court case, they always keep a tub of glee handy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,181 ✭✭✭Augme


    Personally, I wouldn't get close enough to someone with a knife that they could lunge at me with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,813 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    It's not just the media.

    Even now far-left extremists are refusing to respect the decision of the DPP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,054 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    How am I incorrect? The Garda was not prosecuted, if there was intent to kill, they would have been.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,552 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    It wasn't incorrect. The garda didnt want to kill him. The garda wanted to stop the threat that george nkencho presented to the life of the gardai present.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,978 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Personally, I wouldn't lunge at someone with a knife if they had a gun to shoot me with.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭MrRigsby


    The only injustice here is that guard having this nonsense hanging over him for so long . Absolutely ridiculous. Another guard is getting done over those burglars who got barbecued on the Naas road . No wonder they have trouble recruiting Gardai if that’s the way they are treated for dealing with violent criminals



  • Registered Users Posts: 203 ✭✭supermans ghost


    You’re quite the hero type, aren’t you. Unfortunately the garda in question is charged with protecting us from the lunatics that you would run a mile from.

    Correct decision, the only thing up for debate is why it took so long to clear their name.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,512 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    Should not have taken this long to reach this conclusion. Clearly a case of killing him as a last resort, when a knife-wielding lunatic lunges at you there's no other option.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,445 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    No, they meant to stop him from killing the Guard he attacked and from also going to kill his family.

    They didn't want to kill him, they had no choice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,535 ✭✭✭ForestFire


    Thats not what the poster said.

    "No chance the Garda in question wanted to kill a person that day"

    You know ....

    When he got out of bed

    Had his breakfast

    Drove into work

    Got the call to support a disturbance

    For hours tried, with his co works, to talk this person down

    tried non fatal means to restrain him

    Tried to protect the public and this man's own family from danger

    But the when all else failed and he was left with no other option fired on this man's to neutralise the immediate treat, but you can still say.

    ...No chance the Garda in question wanted to kill a person that day.....but his job meant he needed to do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 535 ✭✭✭Zatoichi


    Three years of this hanging over the Guard's head. btw if anyone's curious about the mentality of the people calling for the Guard to be arrested or worse, here's some speeches from the protests: https://mega.nz/file/CJphTYSD#i8av4PEVeuewvfLE_paoqPendd50aMqfXFXXtlP7Ee8

    https://mega.nz/file/mVJTDLpC#5ZtDQVad2O2JSNiRXka6i_m8iehSr7r49p5-PevCDoM

    Apparently Ireland was involved in the slave trade so we owe reparations…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,872 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users Posts: 228 ✭✭Water2626262


    Sad that this happened and maybe an indictment on mental health services in this country.

    I don’t understand the criticism of the gardai here. Do people forget that they still are paye workers? Of course there is a risk in the occupation but I don’t believe anyone should have to put their body on the line (I.e. attempt to disarm him). I see nobody questioning whether the Garda budget is sufficient and why they have so little equipment to deal with this in an alternative manner. That being said not sure if there are non lethal options to pacify an agitated individual with a knife.

    Also if you tried this is any other country the outcome would be the same. If anything you might have been gunned down within seconds.

    There is also zero reflection on the shop workers. Earning minimum wage and having to experience a very traumatic incident and then go to work the next day because unlike higher paying jobs there is next to no paid sick leave or consideration for therapy etc. I’ve worked in retail myself and had to go through some very intimidating incidents and they do have a lasting effect on you nevermind having a man with a knife come in. You are expected to be a social worker / security guard at times and zero support.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    Delighted with the outcome but ridiculous it took that long.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,704 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Ruth Coppinger associating herself with the family.

    She really doesn't want to get elected again I presume.



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