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Limerick improvement projects

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,778 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    You might be forgetting about the smaller stores that open onto patrick street. If they are tripling the number they will probably need to take a layer of parking above. I've never seen the parking there massively busy either so that might not be a problem

    https://www.arthursquay.ie/retail-stores/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,168 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    That list you posted is exactly what I would call "very little".

    The design of the shops on the river side of the building is terrible too.

    The whole place is a relic of a trend that didn't age very well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭Paddico


    I havent been inside in years (mainly because I've a seriously dislike for shopping), however I cant understand how Arthurs Quay is so dated. Wasn't it only opened in the mid 80s. 1988 at a guess.

    You expect a minimum of 50 years out a shopping centre as it wasn't exactly built in the 60s.

    How did the designers get it so wrong?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,168 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    A lot changed between the 80's and 00's in Irish retail. Most of the shops in the big units in Childers or Crescent didn't exist in Ireland or you had to do a big family trip to the ILAC or somewhere.

    I can remember being brought to The Square in Tallaght like it was some sort of big tourist attraction.

    AQ is just too small except for the unit with the outdoor shop. I think they would be better off turning all the front units into a Zara or something and let the Tesco customers use the side doors.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,216 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    There's nothing physically wrong with the structure of the building. Whats wrong is that the units are too small. The same issue that is seen on Cruises St which was only built in the 90s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,778 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    It was fine for the 80s, most shops were smaller, as time went on people wanted more choice and so shops got bigger



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,168 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Can anyone remember what kind of shops used to be in there ?

    The newsagent and cosmetic/health shop have been there as long as I can remember. Used have a Carphone Warehouse which I think was in the unit that was a Golden Disks or maybe next to it.

    I don't remember it being much of a destination for a teen except to use the toilet or to sneak on to the carpark roof.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,861 ✭✭✭Poxyshamrock


    It had a lifestyle sports back in the day. The corner unit where Regatta is now was a pharmacy. Upstairs there was a crèche. At one point about 20 years ago, World of Wonder had a rather nice toy shop on the upper floor and Sails cafe was still a thing. The Gloria Jeans unit was Sails Express and Avanti. Not sure which one was most recent. There was also a small candle/flower shop across from Gloria Jeans. It was there til about 2010?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,509 ✭✭✭sioda


    T shirt printing place and a hair dresser is what I remember



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭geotrig


    The corner unit where regatta had some sneaker shop as well at some nearer the door side of regatta ,remember it went through numerous closing down sales,that pharmacy must have been knocked through to make a bigger unit i guess , ,golden discs ,lifestyle and quinsworth were its big ones though from memory.

    quick google suggest the pharmacy was quinsworth offie at one point.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Vanquished


    Things have undoubtedly ramped up over the last few years, albeit from a very low base. We shouldn't forget that there was virtually no significant private investment or development in Limerick from 2008 up until 2017/18. In a lot of ways we're playing catch up now for a lost decade.

    I was mostly referring to local authority/state/ semi-state projects that promised much but never got off the ground, along with a few private sector ones. The likes of the Limerick regeneration projects, the rejuvenation of Nicholas Street and the "medieval quarter", the refurbishment of the Potato Market and Merchant's Quay area and the development of a public plaza along the Abbey River and a new pedestrian bridge replacing the current structure. The first masterplan for redeveloping Sarsfield House and the Arthur's Quay area was drawn up in 2006 but went nowhere.

    A large scale redevelopment project for the docklands was published by Shannon Foynes Port company around the same time but nothing was achieved. There were various other plans and proposals devised also for the regeneration of the area around the Milk Market and for the reconfiguration of Cruise's Street. Not to mention the continually announced plans to upgrade the public realm in the city centre. We've seen a grand total of three streets remodelled over the course of 23 years! That's before we even get on to the likes of the 'Opera site' which has been in the possession of Limerick Council for 13 years and Cleeve's which is heading for 11 years now. The grand plans for the "Colbert Quarter" have also been significantly watered down 6 years after they were announced and without even a planning application being lodged.

    That being said I'm fully behind the proposed redevelopment of Arthur's Quay and I sincerely hope it goes ahead. I believe if it's done properly it could play an enormous role in finally reigniting the fortunes of the city centre. A balanced mix of residential, retail and hospitality accommodation should result in a vibrant offering. Maintaining the current footprint of the park is absolutely essential though. It needs to be redesigned also but its dimensions must be preserved and protected.

    To create a viable amount of extra space for the redevelopment of the Arthur's Quay centre the multistorey car park will have to go along a good chunk of the existing 3 lane road from Honan's Quay to Rutland Street. Ideally it would be run underground to create a new traffic free urban quarter but I can't see that happening given the likely costs involved. Looking forward to seeing the plans soon hopefully.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭pigtown


    I wouldn't be opposed to some of the park being developed in exchange for the quays being entirely pedestrianised and redesigned. A linear park along here would be a huge asset to the city.

    We definitely shouldn't be at a loss for public open space as a result of the development though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 427 ✭✭HGVRHKYY


    Agreed. Redevelop that whole area and have the shopping centre lead out into a pedestrianised park and function area where Arthur's quay park currently is. Each time they do special events (like the ice skating) there, the park grass gets destroyed, so they should come up with a way to have it easily shift between being a nice, quiet third space for people to go to for lunch and in the evenings and a place where these types of events can be held without ruining the area afterwards. If they got rid of sarsfield house as well it would also enable a very nice pedestrianised zone from the bridge all along the river past the hunt and towards the council office - ideally the entire length of the river should be pedestrianised and set up in a way to host all kinds of pop-up events, and the council should then do all kinds of schemes to encourage individuals and SMEs to bring different events and temporary activities to these areas. You would see a major change in the amount of people enjoying time around this area of the city then.

    That side of the shopping centre should also have external facing units for bars, cafés, restaurants etc., I've seen similar to this in other countries and it can bring a good atmosphere to the area in the evenings and nighttime, especially when the weather is nice.

    If they plan and execute all of this well, and really engage with genuine talent internationally for coming up with the best ways to utilise such a space, you would see an urban space in Limerick that's nicer than probably anywhere else in Irish city centres.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,168 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The simple solution would be to move AQ over and have the road go in behind on to Patrick St.

    Whatever happens that road needs to be tightened because sweeping turns on a 3 lane road is just encouraging aggressive driving.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Vanquished


    The cheapest way to address the issue of diverting traffic and removing the existing road on Arthur's Quay would be to reintroduce a left turn at the Sarsfield Street/O'Connell Street junction and return to a two way traffic arrangement from that junction onwards along Patrick Street to meet the existing outbound lanes at the Rutland Street/Francis Street junction. It would also enable the removal of one of the ludicrous four lanes along Rutland Street, allowing for a wider public footpath along the street where the new city library and refurbished Georgian townhouses will open onto.

    A strictly controlled/restricted access lane could be maintained along Arthur's Quay from Liddy Street for services, deliveries, emergency services etc with an exit via Francis Street onto Rutland Street.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,168 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    There isn't really much room to create a left turn on to O'Connell St.

    There is absolutely no need for the 3 lanes around Arthur's Quay so they could be cut down without affecting any other road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,288 ✭✭✭source


    The original masterplan for the area was to continue the road through the park straight from Liddy St, curving right onto Francis St. The idea was to create a larger footprint for a redevelopment of Arthur's Quay and creating a linear park along the river between Sarsfied Bridge and Thomond Bridge, incorporating Arthur's Quay park, the knocking of Sarsfied house, the area behind the Hunt Museum, the Potato Market and the area behind the civic offices /castle.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Vanquished


    Yes that was a pretty misguided plan to carve up the park, essentially to preserve the existing over-specced road capacity and facilitate a new M&S store. The plan has been refined since then. Speaking to Council officials and the consultancy group overseeing the framework plan at the participation event last year they admitted that there was significant pushback against downsizing the park. Demolition of Sarsfield House is off the table now also on sustainability grounds. That building can definitely be stripped back and reconfigured anyhow.

    I could get on board with extending the footprint of the retail complex onto the site of the old tourist office and the wide footpath to the front of it. Especially if further public space can be created on Honan's Quay by removing the right turn for vehicles in front of the existing entrance to the Arthur's Quay centre.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,168 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Not a hope nowadays that the road would be moved closer to the river. Limerick people actually go outside nowadays and would notice something that stupid.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,216 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    I don't get the sustainability argument with Sarsfield House. Fair enough if it was to be demolished only to be replaced by a new office block, but the plan was to replace it with an open green space. How is refurbishing it (which would still involve substantial demolition and construction) more sustainable than just removing it?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,168 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I'de say knocking buildings is seen as bad optics in the current climate unless they are being rebuilt as an even bigger building.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,288 ✭✭✭source


    There's almost 4 acres of new buildings going in across the road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,168 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I know that but I still don't think people want a perfectly good building knocked for a bit of park space.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 205 ✭✭topcat72


    Sarsfield House is so ugly, over long ( blocking views upriver) . Repurposing office buildings of this age as housing is difficult and expensive. Once Opera site has enough space to replace the office need, I'd level it were it me. My fear is ( knowing this town) is that everyone moves out into new build across the road, then Sarsfield House is left idle and deteriorating for a decade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭geotrig


    I stayed in a hotel in one of the nordics that was very similar style to Sarsifleild house architecturally and was pretty cool and funky. I like sarsfield house but have no strong opinions on if it gets knocked or not. the biggest problem in that section is the 3 lane road discecting the park from the city as such and any AQ development, i presume any development would need to keep the orginal georgian fronts on patrick street side ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,399 ✭✭✭✭phog


    The Savoy Hotel/complex is built on a site that had a much newer building knocked to make way for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,168 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    That was for another building though not a park.

    I'm not against knocking it but I can see why not knocking building would be the politically prudent policy.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,216 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    If the Greens are out of government next year I think that knocking it will be back on the cards. While we won't move away from most green policies as they're being pushed by the EU, some of the less important ones will go by the wayside.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭LeoD


    Haha - the few Green TDs in Dáil Eireann are to blame now for Sarsfield House? Your madcap Green Party obsession is fogging up your brain.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,216 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    What 'madcap Green Party' obsession? I think you're mixing me up with someone else.

    Lets have some facts though. While the Greens only have 8 TDs, they have two positions in Cabinet. And one of those is Eamonn Ryan being Minister for the Environment, Climate and Transport. You know, the guy who pushes environmental policies and legislation?

    Without the Greens the current government couldn't have been formed. They pushed very hard for environmental policies to be included in the Program for Government and as they had FF/FG over a barrel they had their demands were met. And fair play to them. But your assertion that they have no power over national policy is laughable.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,168 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    You seem to get a bit over the top about them alright.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,216 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Only when it comes to Ryans interference with roads. I've no issue with green policies in general.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,861 ✭✭✭Poxyshamrock


    Big Flannery's on Denmark Street is seeking permission to convert most of the place into office space. They will keep the small front bar, the courtyard and the open area upstairs but the big bars to the back (ground floor and first floor) will go.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,216 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    No surprise there. I've no idea how that bar has survived.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,168 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Building the little bar was the only thing they got right.

    Absolutely every aspect of the big bar is a disaster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,673 ✭✭✭adaminho




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,168 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Spent ages trying to think of the name on Saturday.

    I know it was a "Brazilian" name but took me a while to get it. Must have been one of the first modern style cafe menus in Limerick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭James McNulty


    Nice to see the Verizon signage has gone up on the new BQ office block. Brings an air of IFSC to Limerick



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 864 ✭✭✭manna452121


    The building is beautiful as you come down Henry St.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭James McNulty


    Can you imagine a few City Centre blocks built like it? It would be so transformational



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,168 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I did have a bit of a laugh to myself about us getting notions of being Canary Wharf or something 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,631 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    With the addition of the signage and the bronzed brise soleil, and the removal of the remaining scaffolding BQ1 (or the Verizon building as it is likely to be called) is really taking shape as a standout.

    It would be wonderful if the rumours about a deal with the OPW to do something about the back of Henry Street Garda Station come to fruition. Viewed from across the river it’s like a missing front tooth now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭pigtown


    Not quite a new development but Barrington's hospital is up for sale. I wonder if it would be viable to redevelop it into a hotel or apartments, or would the layout be unsuitable for that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,168 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I didn't realise this was going to be part of the plan when they announced the new hospital.

    Will be a loss in terms of accessibility to lose a city centre hospital. Whatever goes in there will as usual take ages so the area is gonna lose significant footfall.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,216 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    In fairness the new Bons will be very accessible by road and will have a bus route passing by once BusConnects is implemented.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 160 ✭✭rjoe90


    Any word on the planned apartments at speakers corner? Haven’t heard an update in a while. Everything seems to take so long to get done here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,168 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Ya I know it will be on the new #2 but that would still mean a transfer for most city people and all country people. It's not the end of the world just a bit of a pity

    Would be better if it was the case of "an additional" hospital rather than building one to replace another.

    Don't know much about the inside but the outside and location would make for a great boutique hotel.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,216 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster




  • Registered Users Posts: 829 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    with a department of the Art college adjacent, maybe expansion to include Barringtons!!! Or maybe JP willfund another 'special' for Limerick City. he certainly has funded a lot of other worthwhile ventures!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,178 ✭✭✭chicorytip




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