Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

Reckless, thoughtless, greed driven policy year after year has landed us where we are.

Lets not continue that, for a start.

If you want an actual visual of what it looks like, look at reeling in the years.

If you want a broken down step by step no-doubt 500 page policy document, I won't be writing that for you.

Eliminating the likes of farcical hiring policies from outside the EU is easy pickings. For example, I was just reading about 200 worker permits to Filipinos to help with car driver testing. Absolutely no need for that type of work to be fulfilled from the other side of the planet.

That's the example, and you work up from there.

I just said that reducing the immigration would reduce the "economy", that's a price, but one well worth paying as the irish version of economy is haywire from inception.

As for us severely limiting the amount of semi permanent to permanent migration into Ireland coming at the expense of Irish peoples ability to travel elsewhere transiently, I just cannot see that being the case. It sounds like a bluff, and one I'd gladly call.

We are operating a dysfunctional business, if you like.

Despite the nearly decade old housing crisis, we just keep allowing more and yet more people to arrive. Whether for cheap labour or simple asylum, that intrinsic flaw is disastrous.

It isn't theoretically disastrous, it is evidently disastrous. And much like hoping 2+2 doesn't equal 4, hoping this disaster doesn't grow yet further out of control is simply hoping against reason. Its a mathematical problem.

So you are correct, I'm not providing a giant policy document for you to read, and I'm really not interested in hearing rebuttals based on existing policies. The whole point is that the existing legislation is madness. It needs gone.

I'll leave it to more interested people to construct those painstaking policies, but the broad point remains, there is no sustainable future without drastically limiting migration into a capacity stricken nation. Every solution must, as a logical necessity, start with that as the goal.

To add an example of not addressing that as the core issue, consider the asylum situation and housing. So they build 5 detention centres, say. Inevitably they fill up.

Now we're back to avoiding the core issue; do you accept that you simply build another 5, and another 5, and another 5 ad infinitum, or do you accept that there is an end point? There's no avoiding the ultimate conclusion, so its better to address it now than later.

Lets stop chocolate samplers from paraguay also.

There is no way 200 people should be transported from the other side of the planet, to do driver testing, to a country chronically short of housing and other infrastructure.

The example is set there and can be readily moved upstream

My point could not be any clearer, the immigration situation, whether tied to asylum or farcically uneconomic visa systems, is a disaster.

LiKe any sane person, im pointing out how it doesn't make sense, rather than going out of my way to confound and justify it.

How about you, can you think of any needless migration based off that example?

Either it's sheer incompetency and stupidity, akin to me adopting 20 cats every year for the next 10 years, despite me having the capacity for only 10,

or its financially incentivised via increased scarcity of the likes of housing allowing artificially created inflation,

or its the idea of cheap and expendable labour importation in order to undercut wages and standards, a la 200 Filipinos being brought in to test drivers in cars.

Likely its all 3.

One simply does not sleepwalk over the course of a decade into multiple crises by doing the same thing over and over and over again, each year worse than the last, unless there is a bona-fide reason.

Or maybe it truly is stupidity!

Regardless of which it is, its all bad news and must change, as a matter of physics, nevermind anything else.

Perhaps youd care to explain the logic of the 200 filipinos being brought in to do mundanely skilled tasks to a country that is evidently without space?

Oh right, "it's all rubbish", is it?

So answer the question I asked you then, why would a functional business/country/entity need to hire 200 Filipinos to do driver testing...from the other side of the planet, into a country that evidently has multiple capacity issues?

Because nobody can do driver testing from across the entirety of Ireland? Nobody can be found able to do it from across the entire continent of Europe??

Pull the other one. The reason that kind of thing is happening is precisely down to one of the 3 options I gave you above, and none of them are good.

Stupidity/wage supression/asset inflation.

Extend that small example out over the course of a decade, and let me tell you, I wouldn't expect anything less than multiple functional crises.

Which we have, lo and behold.

Can you propose some alternative reason why 200 Filipinos are "needed" to do driver testing, of all things, in Ireland?

As you alluded to above, yes, a rampant scheme of profiteering off housing and wage suppression via ever so stupid migration has created multiple crises.

So expecting the population of a country, or large segments of it, to simply be well-behaved as conditions get worse is simply illogical.

Create bad times, expect bad results. The only surprise would be if nothing happened.

There's a distinct difference between reason and excuse. Im providing reasoning, not excusing.