Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

I absolutely agree on stepping up deportations but I don't think we will ever be able to do this effectively without a pan-European pooling of resources to address external border issues and give all assistance needed to the external border countries. And yes — that includes sharing the onboarding of people that those countries have been unable to repel or return, because without that level of goodwill it actually becomes harder for us to deport where we have to push people back to another EU country in the first instance.

We also need to foster better relations with the countries that are on the other side of those borders or across the Mediterranean to encourage them to assist in the prevention of migrant crossings (otherwise, why would they bother helping us if it means they are stuck with all the people). That likely involves gives too — such as the recent granting of extra visas to Tunisian workers by Italy recently . The Russia / Belarus border issue is unfortunately one we are probably stuck with.

I would just like to point out that No one is entitled to know anyone else's history.

You could have a murderer from Scotland, a drug dealer from Germany or a burglar from Roscommon living in your area. Unaware.

Look at Newtownmountkennedy last night : anti-asylum seeker protesters battling with riot police. Holding a referendum on immigration in the middle of all this would be nuts and would escalate things off the scale.

Surely not giving people a choice and the governments current methods will continue to escalate things off the scale

I was in the island of Samos in Greece which is only a short swim away from Turkey so saw the migrant detention camps in person. Greece and Italy have a terrible burden to deal with this huge influx so I agree they should be fully supported financially and logistically by other member states.

The EU has an enormous foreign aid budget which is mostly wasted and leads to a lot of corruption in 3rd worl countries.

Some of this should be used to incentivise MENA countries to eliminate all illegal migration from their shores and to fund detention centres on their soil similar to what Australia does by using the island of Nauru.

If the reward for crossing the Sahara was indefinite detention in a Libyan jail then nobody even the most desperate would make the journey.

Can you post a source for that graph?

Take 2020 it shows a figure of over 7000 and 8000 in 2019.

"The International Protection Office (IPO) received 1,566 applications for international protection in 2020, a decrease of 67.3 per cent from the 4,781 applications in 2019. Ireland’s applications accounted for 0.33 per cent of the total applications made in the EU-27 countries in 2020."

Source

https://www.esri.ie/publications/annual-report-on-migration-and-asylum-2020-ireland

"Reducing the economy" as a downside to drastically reducing immigration is pretty broad and seems to casually overlook the fact that poor economic performance is rarely something that people will support for very long. The other point here is that Irish economic trouble means more emigration and subsequent resource drain. Who steps in to fill the gap? Migrants.

And yes, we have emigration now based more so on housing availability and cost of living than job opportunties. But "reducing the economy" seems to lead you to the same place ultimately. You're left relying on migration (ie, emigration) as a pressure valve to allow people to get opportunities elsewhere — or else you have to find a way to disincentivise people from leaving so that you can fill all the labour and talent gaps with Irish people with salaries and packages that are attractive — or else state handouts.

Ultimately, we see on here every day the reams of posts bemoaning the idiocy of the government, the treachery of Lefties, the easiness with which all migration problems can be fixed. So you would think that such strong assured views are based on a solid understanding of what the tangible alternatives are and what they are willing to sacrifice. Instead — their views are put forward constantly as an absolute no-brainer win/win ideology that will wipe away all the problems caused by immigrants and absolutely not create new problems in their stead.

When tent city in Dublin gets to around 10k refugees the public will go right wing like Denmark and the other Nordic countries. All because the government is incompetent and cant build 250k houses a year.

And the poor local residents in the area have to put up with this blight.

Is this the first real problem Ireland as a nation will actually have to solve ?

It's going to affect everyone, even the smug people who think it doesn't affect them.

The UK or the EU or the USA is not going to help here.

We can't emigrate our way out of the situation.

The only people who gain from any of this are the people milking the property market.

The government seems to think there is no problem, so much so they are running away to solve the problems in the Middle East and Ukraine. And a bit of solar panels to solve the climate crisis. And sure John and Mary would love a new EV.

How Far right is still being cited is beyond me,this is or will be one of the biggest issues at the next general election,the Government have lost touch with a huge cohort of their electorate,there is widespread support for resistance to the current Government approach and I suspect they know it but are caught between a massive inflow of immigrants and a daily increase in resistance from their constituents.McEntee and O Gorman have lost the dressing room and need to be replaced.The Government are writing cheques on Asylum that their constituents are refusing to cash and they need to recognize that.

I've heard it all now! Hehe.

Of course, the UN was talking about replacement migration back in 2001, instead of promoting family and children within nation states they have discussed the need for replacement migration for years.

REPLACEMENT MIGRATION

Focusing on these two striking and critical trends, the present study addresses the question of
whether replacement migration is a solution to declining and ageing populations. Replacement migration
refers to the international migration that would be needed to offset declines in the size of population, the
declines in the population of working age, as well as to offset the overall ageing of a population.

The study computes the size of replacement migration and investigates the possible effects of
replacement migration on the population size and age structure for a range of countries that have in
common a fertility pattern below the replacement level. Eight countries are examined: France, Germany,
Italy, Japan, Republic of Korea, Russian Federation, United Kingdom and United States. Two regions are
also included: Europe and the European Union. The time period covered is roughly half a century, i.e.,
from 1995 to 2050.

According to the United Nations population projections (medium variant), Japan and virtually all
the countries of Europe are expected to decrease in population size over the next 50 years. For example,
the population of Italy, currently 57 million, is projected to decline to 41 million by 2050. The Russian
Federation is expected to decrease from 147 million to 121 million between 2000 and 2050. Similarly,
the population of Japan, currently 127 million, is projected to decline to 105 million by 2050.

In addition to the decrease in population size, Japan and the countries of Europe are undergoing a
relatively rapid ageing process. In Japan, for example, over the next half century the median age of the
population is expected to increase by some eight years, i.e., from 41 to 49 years. And the proportion of
the Japanese population 65 years or older is expected to increase from its current 17 per cent to 32 per
cent. Similarly in Italy, the median age of the population increases from 41 years to 53 years and the
proportion of the population 65 years or older goes from 18 per cent to 35 per cent.

https://www.un.org/development/desa/pd/sites/www.un.org.development.desa.pd/files/unpd-egm_200010_un_2001_replacementmigration.pdf

Which ones? The ones which have almost 3,000 in tents.