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Sportives/Leisure Cycles 2024

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    #32
    Wishbone Ash
    Registered Users Posts: 24,987 ✭✭✭✭Wishbone Ash


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122053003#Comment_122053003

    Just curious but how are you managing to take entries on the day? My club have been informed that under no circumstances are entries to be taken on the day. It must be online only as per CI regulations.

    I've done several sportives this year to date and all were also taking cash entries on the day. It just seems unfair that some are abiding by the regulations (and losing out) while others are ignoring them.



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    #33
    GandhiwasfromBallyfermot
    Registered Users Posts: 415 ✭✭GandhiwasfromBallyfermot


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122057911#Comment_122057911

    Looking forward to this, I'll be signing up soon. Do you have the routes Secman?



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    #34
    spudpicker2022
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭spudpicker2022


    i have ticket for tour de connemara (140km route) for sale if anyone would like it please PM me



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    #35
    saccades
    Registered Users Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭saccades


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122057911#Comment_122057911

    Aye, no 3 Peaks this year. 😔



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    #36
    secman
    Registered Users Posts: 6,297 ✭✭✭secman


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122060209#Comment_122060209

    On eventmaster, 9 stones challenge cycle, before buying tickets, scroll down and there are links to both routes on strava, I'm not techny enough to attach links 😀



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    #37
    Johnners1878
    Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭Johnners1878


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122058091#Comment_122058091

    I'm not aware of any restriction imposed by CI on walk-up entries. There may have been in the immediate aftermath of Covid - I remember some of our members being refused entry to a neighbouring Sportive a couple of years ago but we only returned last year. We accepted walk-in entries and where people didn't have a one-day license we took their additional €20 for a ODI and remitted them back to CI as we'd always done previously - they were received without complaint. I'd be curious as to who/how that was communicated to you. As you say, it's common practice. We certainly don't want to breach CI regulations, but we haven't seen that one.



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    #38
    spudpicker2022
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭spudpicker2022


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122061141#Comment_122061141

    gone



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    #39
    Wishbone Ash
    Registered Users Posts: 24,987 ✭✭✭✭Wishbone Ash


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122063086#Comment_122063086

    From CI webpage:

    All events, including club events, must receive a permit and use the Cycling Ireland Online Entry System. The benefits of the new system are that it removes cash and the handling of money, entry fees move seamlessly into your stripe account and you have a list of all your entries before event day.

    Event Licence fees (one Day Licence) are also collected directly at the time of entry and sign-on sheets are not required. Unfortunately, if your event has not received a permit and is not available for booking via our online system it cannot avail of event insurance.




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    #40
    Johnners1878
    Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭Johnners1878


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122064595#Comment_122064595

    Thanks for that - not sure it clarifies anything though - without getting bogged down in semantics, it seems open to interpretation. We (and others presumably) have received a permit and use the CI Online System, so comply with those terms. It doesn't state the Online system must be used exclusively nor does it say that walk-in entries are not permitted. As I said, we remitted ODI licenses paid on the day last year to CI and there were no questions asked as to how or why. I'll investigate further….



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    #41
    Wishbone Ash
    Registered Users Posts: 24,987 ✭✭✭✭Wishbone Ash


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122065538#Comment_122065538

    Yes perhaps we're being overly cautious with the interpretation. It's not nice to have to turn away people on the day with cash in their hands (especially when they are club members!).



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    #42
    Morris Garren
    Registered Users Posts: 513 ✭✭✭Morris Garren


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122065538#Comment_122065538

    If you take cash from a random/unlicensed cyclist, how does this grant them a 'licence' to ride i.e. how are they insured? I agree with WA above and while traditionally Ireland has had a 'sure it will be grand' attitude to many such things, cash in hand etc, it does feel like we are in different times now, what with exorbitant insurance fees and payouts. I would not take a risk with cash in a bucket from johnnycomelately. If CI can advise definitively, perhaps that would clear things up.



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    #43
    Johnners1878
    Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭Johnners1878


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122067605#Comment_122067605

    Most walk-ins are licensed and are from other Clubs. If an unlicensed individual arrives, they pay an entry fee for the event and separately buy a one-day event license for €20 - the same way as someone without CI membershp can do on Eventmaster. We send the €20 odi fee to CI with the individual's details. If they don't want to pay the additional €20 they don't ride.

    Post edited by Johnners1878 on


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    #44
    Morris Garren
    Registered Users Posts: 513 ✭✭✭Morris Garren


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122067797#Comment_122067797

    Are these riders who pay €20 insured to ride?



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    #45
    Johnners1878
    Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭Johnners1878


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122068365#Comment_122068365

    Yes, €20 buys an event license which brings them under the umbrella of CI insurance, in the same way as it buys an event license online. I'd have said that categorically until this discussion arose, but we'll be looking for cast-iron clarity now.



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    #46
    Morris Garren
    Registered Users Posts: 513 ✭✭✭Morris Garren


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122069893#Comment_122069893

    And who exactly gets this money? Is it sent in an envelope to CI headquarters? The only issue I have is that historically, the governing body was/is the licensing and insuring body; one-day 'event' licences were a separate sign on sheet, with waiver included, the same as on race days, separate sheets with different race numbers given to such participants, overseen by commisaires. Frankly, that system is a bit 20th century to me; a digital point of entry, sign on and cross checks, tick boxes etc is what the Eventmaster portal and CI are using, with a proper paper trail, albeit digital. The 'cash in hand' approach implies that the event organisers are now 'licensing' who can ride - if that's OK then it's news to me. And if that's above board, then just carry on.



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    #47
    beggars_bush
    Registered Users Posts: 4,469 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    Doesn't make cycling a very accessible sport if people cannot sign up on the day for local events



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    #48
    Morris Garren
    Registered Users Posts: 513 ✭✭✭Morris Garren


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122070169#Comment_122070169

    Well, there could be an online portal option available for late entrants? The fact is that many events have a closing date/time so as to help with logistics on the morning of the event. The night before the event - 9pm- is that not good enough for anybody wanting to participate? You just can please everyone



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    #49
    eeeee
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,844 Mod ✭✭✭✭eeeee


    Organisers can leave the closing date on their event to the morning of, and anyone turning up can just enter online as usual.

    Bar national championships or NS races, organisers set the closing date to their events to whatever day and time they want.

    Post edited by eeeee on


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    #50
    Morris Garren
    Registered Users Posts: 513 ✭✭✭Morris Garren


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122071875#Comment_122071875

    Yes, this makes sense to me also.



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    #51
    DrumcDub1
    Registered Users Posts: 57 ✭✭DrumcDub1


    I have an entry for the Wicklow 200 and for L'Etape in Kerry for sale (at a discount) if anyone is interested



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    #52
    Wishbone Ash
    Registered Users Posts: 24,987 ✭✭✭✭Wishbone Ash


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122070169#Comment_122070169

    The problems with 'walk ins' is that 1. Many won't show up if the weather is bad and 2. It makes it difficult to estimate food requirements etc. When people sign up in advance, it makes it more likely that they will show up on the day and, even if they don't, the organiser has their entry fee which is important for charity events.

    (I accept that the opposite can also be true - if it's a glorious day, more 'walk ins' may show up.)



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    #53
    Drake66
    Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭Drake66


    Is anyone here doing the orwell randonee on Saturday? At the moment the forecast is looking potentially ok. I can't wait for the carrot cake



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    #54
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,559 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I did the 145km randonee last year. The weather included all four seasons. I can recall passing Ballinastoe and the weather was absolutely glorious. Towards the end as I was ascending Sally from Kilbride, it was lashing rain and hailstones and I was absolutely miserable, wondering why I was out on the side of a mountain in that weather.

    Also, in case anyone is using the route from last year on their Garmin, note that there is a slight change due to roadworks on the R758 (as you turn N towards the lakes) - the route now follows a narrower lane which I think also adds on a few more metres!

    https://orwellwheelers.org/m-calendar/randonnee/1472-2024-randonnee



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    #55
    Macy0161
    Registered Users Posts: 9,387 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122070169#Comment_122070169

    Really cycling is a lot more accessible than a lot of sports. Not many you'd be able to rock up on the day to an organised event, even if you had a licence? If anything, pre-covid, cycling was slow to move to online for events.



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    #56
    Wishbone Ash
    Registered Users Posts: 24,987 ✭✭✭✭Wishbone Ash


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122084635#Comment_122084635

    Yes - doing it. It would be very unusual to get reasonable weather for it but I'm remaining positive.



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    #57
    Drake66
    Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭Drake66


    The weather forecast has deteriorated a bit. I'm undecided on bib tights or shorts for tomorrow. Its looks like it won't be as warm as they were predicting



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    #58
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,559 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    More feckin cold and wet weather - Sally Gap's forecast for tomorrow…

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    #59
    lissard
    Registered Users Posts: 536 ✭✭✭lissard


    Bibtights and a decent rainjacket I think - thought it might be the weekend to break out the shorts. Damn weather this year :-(



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    #60
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,559 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    What I'm now wondering is do I bring the good summer bike or the #2 bike (and with/without mudguards).

    It really isn't shaping up to be a good summer!



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    #61
    Drake66
    Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭Drake66


    Had a lovely day at the Randonee yesterday. Its such a well run event and the food stop in Laragh is so well stocked. I went a bit too hard up the luggala climb. I got in with a fast group and got carried away with myself! The weather was OK apart from the bit from the wicklow gap to kilbride I thought. I passed an accident on the descent down from lough bray; I hope whoever was involved is ok.



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