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Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,836 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    AS = zero benefit, massive cost

    Immigrants on work visas = they work, they produce output, that's something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 712 ✭✭✭creeper1


    Way too rosy an outlook.

    The ones with skills that can establish careers will leave however those without skills we will have for good.

    They will be our responsibility. Them and their future generations.

    Does the dole/benefits/welfare even exist in Nigeria/Algeria/Pakistan?

    On the slim chance it does it would never be comparable to Ireland.



  • Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭toothy


    Border security and respect absolutely does matter

    Saying it doesn't matter is a defacto call for open borders and no immigration control. Jesus christ like I can't believe anyone would have the gall to suggest such a stance

    No contril to protect people from criminals, murderers, rapists, terrorists, people who have committed genocide or war crimes.

    People can leave their own country whatever way they want but entry to another cannot be a free for all

    If you come in outside the rules then the rules don't apply to you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23 Carraldo


    ^^ this. I'd equate what is happening in our country to people smuggling on an industrial scale. Unvetted (economic) migrants being shovelled into small town Ireland in the dead of night to avoid the local populace protesting.

    (Then then wonder why protests can turn violent 😀).

    "Why can't ye all lie down while we enforce these Plantations upon you. Yes, we know theres not enough housing, health is a total mess but shure, but we'll be grand .. the Mohammeds from Iraq and the Abdullahs from Somalia will blend in seamlessly. They're just like you .. they in turn, will bring their extended families here when ye all quiet down and we'll all get along like .. a house on fire"

    This government was elected to promote the well being of its citizens (not to adopt world wide problems, bring them home and kiss them better). This is patently not happening. Democracy has become a byword for Autocracy. Do as we say or we'll set the Hate Laws upon ye

    This current situation is unsustainable. I despair when I see MoJ, McEntee, totally unsuited to her portfolio defend this mess (well, tries to and fails) and now trying to shoehorn further laws to make an even bigger mess. Her ignorance and ineptitude is staggering.

    If this is allowed to continue, a few house fires will be the least of our problems.

    As for the few posters who rant on here and defend these shenanigans, they should simply be ignored. They refuse, fail to see how this will end. And they possibly have a dog in the race themselves.

    Post edited by Carraldo on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,259 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    You paint an almost romantic Darby O' Gill image of ' some lad circa fifty years old'. Getting a lick or two of a baton. If shots are fired at a guard it more likely will come from a mask wearing scumbag draped in the national flag who is using the cover of people's apprehension over immigration to sock it to the 'Man'. The same 'Man' who pays his benefits!. In fact the obvious intolerance, ignorance and plain racism being displayed by some at these protests is reminiscent of the southern states of America in the 50's or the " no blacks, no dogs ,no Irish " in the UK of bygone days. Its 2024 and time to cop on to ****!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,025 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    80% of Irish citizens are now concerned about the country's open borders ,yet you are the opinion the far right are the only opponents of government policy .I hope you are not saying 80% of Irish citizens are racist!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,536 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    We get to be the best boys in the class….no matter the cast.





  • The original well intended Direct Provision systems have become a way to transfer taxpayer money to a small few connected citizens.

    It's an absolute travesty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,448 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    I'm not suggesting any stance, I'm merely pointing out what the law is.



  • Registered Users Posts: 39 faircitywok


    Is there anyone pro-asylum seeker who lives in an area effected by them? Genuine question and also same question but; is there anyone not middle class or up who supports it?

    From what I see it's not even income based, but class and proximity based. I think its guilt from having grown up with more than most around you, when its not proximity, that causes this support.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,448 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    You give examples of foreigners who have committed crimes. No one is importing criminals. You would have to be very naive to think that everyone entering Ireland are all going to be model citizens. How about all the UK and EU citizens that come here, would you suggest that none of them are capable of committing crimes



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,764 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    100%.

    As well as being a vital cog in the people- trafficking enterprise now encouraged and facilitated by this wretched government, it is a means by which illegal immigrants can access the economy and generous social welfare system of this country regardless of their suitability, skills or criminal history in their place of origin.

    It's a broken system, exploited and exploitative.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,259 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    You probably need to re read my post. I'm saying that 100 % of mask wearing flag draped " concerned citizens " are racist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,663 ✭✭✭prunudo


    too late for that now. They've had 20 plus years of dealing with immigration and integration in mainland Europe and the UK. But our arrogant lot knew better and didn't take any notes. Not one td has helped us in the town we can't mention, but as soon as the **** hits the fan, Simon out with his bold children schtick for rte to lap up. They're treating the citizens of this country with contempt.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,259 ✭✭✭realdanbreen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,663 ✭✭✭prunudo


    they don't have an ounce of credibility left in their news department. But you contuine lapping up everything they tell you. You're being played and you don't even know it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭combat14


    theres 14000 homeless in the country (including 4000 children) time to stop letting anymore illegal migrants in at a minimum till this genuine long standing issue is resolved

    breaking sovereign borders is a crime, not a reason to provide the most generous freebies in the world

    a la carte country shopping "asylum seekers" need to be rapidly deported the country is at max capacity now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,259 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    More of a Truth social fan yourself I'd say. I'd certainly never be " played " by any bitter **** stirrers on social media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,663 ✭✭✭prunudo


    i never said anything about social media, I have eyes in my head.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    racist...a modern term of abuse, a term of abuse is more effective the less defined it is, then you can throw it at anybody and anything.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    Calling people scumbags and far right and racist doesn't wash anymore. Some bad actors do not change the fact that mass immigration has been handled recklessly and appallingly by the government. If it continues in the same trend it is going to impact us all even the ones calling everyone else scumbags and racists and far right



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,709 ✭✭✭jackboy


    The government are regularly making statements on immigration now that they were calling conspiracy theories and far right opinions a year ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,259 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    I wasn't aiming it at you just begrudgers in general.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,704 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    This is quite interesting from the Brazilian man standing in the local elections. He says Ireland needs to have strong rules on who enters the country and that they should work and contribute to the country.

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/is-dublin-dangerous-not-really-i-come-from-rio-de-janeiro-caio-benicio-on-his-370k-gift-and-standing-for-election/a550980900.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,994 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Last I heard we had 130k refugees in Ireland and c500 a week asylum seekers alone coming in. Have you any solutions as to where to put them? To dissuade more from coming etc?

    Or will we reassess when we've 10k in tents in Dublin?





  • My o/h is Brazilian and she thinks the same. It's not racist to control borders like people make it out to be. It's common sense ffs.

    Unfortunately with recent goings on there is a lot more hostility towards the Brazilian community who by en large are here to work hard and have a better life.

    I get angry that some of the vile racists on social media blanket label all immigrants.



  • Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭Gamergurll


    Interesting.. Wonder will he be called out as a far right racist?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    Begrudgers... that's a new one. But yes I suppose a lot of people do begrudge the reckless mishandling of this. A lot of people do begrudge the two tier society where asylum seekers are given medical cards while Irish cancer patients are refused one. A lot of people do begrudge that the government have done nothing to fix the housing crisis while there is seemingly endless amounts of money to line the pockets of rich hotel owners. A lot of people do begrudge that they are having to go and protest when they would rather not have to. Well done on not begrudging any of the above. It won't save you though, if this continues all of us will pay an enormous price



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,474 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    It doesn't help either when the government and cheerleaders are pretending that all immigration is exactly the same so they can label the majority of the country far right. Unfortunately this is further feeding the scrotes who will take it out on all immigrants.

    Their handling of this is an absolute disgrace all round, and trying to silence people has just made it worse (so surprising).

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,871 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Crime comes from everyone all shapes and sizes and nationalities but even you can admit that if here legally they can be identified and criminal history traced and clearance vetting from their home country checked applied if needed, it is hard enough on AGS managing our own home grown criminals than bringing in more



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,448 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    If they are here legally? I presume you are insinuating that asylum seekers are 'illegal '?

    There is no vetting or checks on UK or EU citizens. How would we know anything about them?



  • Registered Users Posts: 328 ✭✭gerogerigegege


    we've done enough for the world. time to stop. no more.





  • Watching Newtownmountkennedy again today i think this movement is definitely reaching middle Ireland and the Govt won't just be able to lable people "far right" much longer.

    The Govt staying the course is going to absolutely put them in direct conflict with people.

    Seen a poor young Garda down there getting doxxed ttoday. All the poor fella is doing is just following orders. Some clown jogger up recording him trying to get him to drop Harris in it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,022 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    The fundamental problem you have with your whole premise is this.

    If an asylum seeker arrives without documents and can't be identified that is a criminal act before they even touch Irish soil whether you like it or not.

    Now, you'll say "some need to do this". Maybe, a tiny minority. However, the issue is the country is left exposed to those who don't need to do that and some will be criminals. It also raises the issue of the character and calibre of people coming here.

    Right now over 80% are coming from the UK so they've failed there or believe they will and thus we are getting the worst of it coming here. We are not getting skilled people coming here as asylum seekers. We are getting those who will in all likelihood be a perpetual generational strain on the state.

    All the social problems will flow from that.

    You think it's bad now how some are reacting - wait until you see the next recession. It's all going to boil over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,704 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Large crowds attending the protest in Newtown Mount Kennedy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,871 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    But I am sure if here legally, a check could be done if needed no matter where from

    Just an example but we have heard of UK and EU arrivals causing RTAs and previous convictions in their home countries are brought up in their cases

    Actually Ukrainian RTAs here on the increase



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,448 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Who is doing a check? And for what reason? Previous convictions are given after someone is convicted. So what does it matter?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,448 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    I don't doubt for a second that some will be criminals. But so are UK and EU citizens that are living in this country. So why is it only previous convictions of asylum seekers are an issue?



  • Registered Users Posts: 369 ✭✭sekiro


    Love this logic.

    Sure,we've already got loads of criminals here so why not bring in even more?

    The future of Ireland is bleak and this situation is only going to get worse.

    I can only imagine that people like yourself will never be truly affected by it and will just slink off into the shadows when it all goes horribly wrong.

    Anyone who thinks there is going to be a positive outcome from just letting more and more people come here is kidding themselves on.

    Its only going to get worse. The people out protesting now are simply ahead of the curve. They know what's coming and they are honest enough to speak out about it while the rest of us are really just hoping "it won't affect me".



  • Registered Users Posts: 369 ✭✭sekiro


    We get to post online about how Ireland should be open to all and pat ourselves on the back for being such welcoming hosts.

    We get to feel a sense of moral superiority over "racists".

    I think that's about it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 712 ✭✭✭creeper1


    What is the story with the opposition party Sinn Fein?

    They are rowing back their commitment to the hate speech laws trying to claim they were against it all along when it is a fact, easy to look up, that they voted for it.

    Now they are talking about "sovereignty" and not being in favour of the eu migration pact.

    Will they please set out their stall clearly? Do they want to continue their buzz words of people "fleeing" and "legal and moral obligations" or is it time to emulate Denmark for a zero policy.

    Of course they will do the usual fudge trying to walk both sides of the line talking about only genuine cases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,448 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    Nobody is 'bringing in criminals ' and Those people trying to paint all asylum seekers as criminals is making things worse.

    can anyone explain what the difference is between a UK,EU citizen or an asylum seeker, who all have previous convictions?



  • Registered Users Posts: 369 ✭✭sekiro


    Of course not.

    Its the same with legalising drugs or refusing to deal with shoplifters etc. Its all good as long as youre not the elderly woman being robbed by some junkie and you're not the young kid behind the till at Spar getting a beating from a scumbag who steals daily from the shop.

    In some parts of Ireland we already have enough dodgy characters that the law is very soft on. Bringing in even more isn't going to somehow make the situation better.

    People who don't think it will ever affect them personally just don't care.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,663 ✭✭✭prunudo


    you want to see the doxxing on the other side. People who are at peaceful protests are being reported to their employers by trolls. Disgusting behaviour, whatever happened to having a free and opposing opinion, and these are the people who parroted the be kind movement.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,448 ✭✭✭suvigirl


    I bet posters don't even bother to click any links you did supply. couple of German websites that could say anything, not that you linked the 'facts' about 100% of sexual assaults being committed by foreign nationals, well of course you didn't, because your German statistics have been shown to be false on this thread previously.

    Posting false or misleading information only inflames the situation further.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I didn't bother looking at all of the stats linked there... One link went to a blank page. The next to a report on post-covid crime rates where I didn't see any mention of immigration.

    More fake stats.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,764 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    Sobering facts.

    A deluge of sexual violence against indigenous Europeans has been a depressing feature of mass immigration of the scale and character we are now being subjected to.

    If you keep an eye on the courts, the first green shoots of the same is emerging here.

    The products of violent and misogynistic cultures are more likely to behave with violent misogyny. Their aggression is amplified when they are given access to a foreign community, an "other" who they despise to target.

    I remember a young North African being interviewed in Amsterdam. He felt emboldened to tell the interviewer that rapes and sexual assaults on native Dutch women were a trivial matter because they were likely to be sexually active already.

    These are the mindsets flooding into Europe and, now, Ireland.

    Post edited by DeadHand on


  • Registered Users Posts: 463 ✭✭Coolcormack1979


    legal migration fine and needed,illegals here with no papers or any documentation should be sent away with a kick up the hole.

    Why do far left and wokies have a problem with this simple fact.and so intent on destroying our culture and country



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,685 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    I'm not sure can anyone answer these 2 questions

    1x How can we stop migrates from the UK via NI?
    Harris said legislative will need to change but I'm confused on what we can do?

    2x How can existing Ukrainians still get paid 220 euro a week? I know they've stopped it for new arrivals but I just cannot understand why it's not stopped across the board?



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