Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

Tom Murphy and Mercedes dealership

  • 16-01-2023 11:44pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,484 ✭✭✭


    WLR Facebook page had it Tom murphy would be concentrating on VW in two years time and no longer dealership for Mercedes . Then the FB page link was taken down . Anybody know anything ?



«1

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,085 ✭✭✭spankmemunkey


    I have heard this too but ye can never be too sure if its true or gossip



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,085 ✭✭✭spankmemunkey


    doesnt really look good the mercedes dealer selling scooters



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,654 ✭✭✭goochy


    hate to say it but better if they did lose MB , the premises set up with VW not great and their new/ used MB stock not great. Even if they only sold VW they would struggle to fill those premises as they have no interest in used cars. In Morgan street they had no room for used cars , now they have room but no interest in them.

    Bolands in Wexford , very good MB dealer , but their BMW dealership in Waterford very poor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    Word is that there will be only one MB dealer for the country in next few years because of market size. All the rest of present dealers will be agents and you just order your car from the one dealer through the local agent who may carry a model range for demo purposes only. More will follow that model. Big changes coming. Profit margin on cars is already cut to the bone.

    Some people on here have no idea of the actual cost of fixed infrastructure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,234 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    cut throat industry id imagine, but id say financialisation is also causing a wrecking ball here to!



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,654 ✭✭✭goochy


    whatever that is ? lol



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,881 ✭✭✭BBM77


    They will have to implement financialisation before they can carry out wealth extraction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,085 ✭✭✭spankmemunkey


    There's no story on WLR about this.


    Also, the car industry in general is going to have a major restructuring soon, as of 2030 Petrol and Diesel car will no longer be for sale only electric, that's only 7 years away, the second hand prices have gone up through the roof 70% since the pandemic, There aren't as many new cars to be had thus pushing the second hand prices right up and I've seen some sheds for sale that you would use as a chicken coop.

    Low supply of new cars, petrol and diesel being phased out, I would say that's the main reason most Dealers are in trouble.

    The government are also trying to push people out of private car ownership and use public transport or cycle lanes etc. as part of the reduction of carbon emissions and meeting carbon emission targets, something we are currently not doing with the government paying fines each month as a result.

    There will be a sudden drop off and rush for people to sell cars while they can in a few years before their value plummets or just hold on till they or the car dies



  • Registered Users Posts: 1 white tony


    Mercedes want him to build a separate Mercedes showroom as at the moment Mercedes will not allow him to sell full electric Mercedes vehicle



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭ArtVandelay76


    Same thing happened him with Audi a few years ago, they wanted him to build a new showroom to their specifications for Audi only. Bolands ended up doing it.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,881 ✭✭✭BBM77


    Has been a criticism of Waterford owned businesses over the years that they don’t invest in their facilities. This kind of backs that opinion up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,654 ✭✭✭goochy


    there was one , its been removed now . i didnt get to read it as contents had been removed. , but heading said ' Tom Murphy to give up Mercedes in 2 years time and concentrate on VW only ; .

    Tom Murphy advertise with WLR and obviously wont want people to know they are losing / giving up Mercedes , why should they possibly miss out on MB sales for next 2 years when they still have the franchise .

    Donohues in Enniscorthy were losing the franchise a few years ago , they amalgamated with Bolands and their Wexford dealership is one of the best in the country and steets ahead of Tom Murphys.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,654 ✭✭✭goochy


    Also Tom Murphys only have themselves to blame , just like Sheehys they spent millions on showrooms during the Celtic tiger but they insisted on have MB & VW showrooms joined together.

    Say what you like about Audi having a high standard requirements for their dealerships , but it works. Anyone who has the Audi franchise has a licence to print money. Audi sales way ahead of MB



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭friendlyfun


    Tom is going to join Sinn Fein I heard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,654 ✭✭✭goochy


    any update on Tom Murphys Mercedes franchise and a possible new MB dealer for Waterford ?

    Mercedes are not doing as well as they should compared to AUDI and BMW so MB could do with a better dealer network

    i see some sort of work going on beside Autoboland Volvo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭Jizique


    MB are going to eliminate all dealers across europe, will sell direct - rolling out this year, some teething issues in Germany but mgmt seem to be happy with how it is going; more control on pricing they say although not sure that is big issue in a small market like ireland; dealer will not have to invest in inventory but will continue with service revenues



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,654 ✭✭✭goochy


    its been a disaster in uk



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭nomoedoe


    Big banner up on that now saying its a new showroom for Jeep Alfa and Fiat



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,654 ✭✭✭goochy


    i thought they were taking over the former T & C MOTORS showrooms ?

    Maybe Bolands will open MB in former T & C showrooms ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 236 ✭✭shanemul




  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭nomoedoe


    Yeah i know i was relying to the poster asking what was happening next to the Volvo garage



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,654 ✭✭✭goochy


    They were suppose to be opening at T & c motors , but then that was coming from another poster on boards.

    Remind me are the new showrooms actually on existing site or adjacent to it ? does it say its for Honda also ?

    would be good if autobolands original showrooms were Volvo only



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,339 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    Passed by there the other day andcl was wondering if Honda are being replaced by Fiat. I know there's a Honda dealer in Wexford who seems to sell a lot to Waterford.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,654 ✭✭✭goochy


    its been mentioned before Bolands have little interest in used cars unless they are nearly new / low miles so would imagine they dont give great trade in allowances if nearly everything gets sold trade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,654 ✭✭✭goochy


    Tom Murphy have less and less Mercs . for sale , any rumours of a new MB dealer ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭azimuth17




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,654 ✭✭✭goochy


    between suspect styling on many models and big price increases MB are really falling behind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭azimuth17




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,654 ✭✭✭goochy


    I still see them as posh VWS , its a pity Lexus cant match their model range / drivability as think they feel more premium



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,085 ✭✭✭spankmemunkey


    Audi I find are always over priced, If you look at the A4 a bog standard A4 2.0 diesel, no special bells and whistles is anything from 46k-65k



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,234 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...and chatting to mechanic's wouldnt exactly fill you with confidence either....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,085 ✭✭✭spankmemunkey


    No absolutely not, having come from the land of Audi, I was always happy that their mechanics "on the whole" knew what they were talking about and had pride in their work, I'm sorry to say and I await the backlash but I haven't got much confidence in Tradespeople in Ireland in general. I know there are good trades people but maybe I have been unlucky in people that say they will and can do something and don't provide the service they advertised



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,234 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    i know a couple of lads that trained with our local audi dealer, none with good stories, all gone now, and doing their own thing, and thankfully so, sounds like a hell hole to work in....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,654 ✭✭✭goochy


    Mercs . prices way over the scale now , over €60k for a fairly standard C class , no wonder sales so far behind the other two Germans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,654 ✭✭✭goochy


    BYD gone into old T & C motors premises , thought maybe Bolands might have put Mercedes in there.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,654 ✭✭✭goochy


    Any update on Tom Murphy car sales on the Mercedes franchise?

    Autobolands alfa fiat and jeep showroom is completed months ago now but they don't seem to be moving in .

    Don't know why Simon kavanaghs don't take on MG



  • Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 9,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭Aquos76


    Tom Murphy is taking over Toyota and Lexus from the end of the year apparently, McConnells informed their staff of this earlier this month. When it was announced that he was losing Mercedes, he approached Toyota about Lexus only, but Toyota wouldn't separate the two, so hence he had to go after both brands. The word on the street is TM has lost VW also, there is no word on anyone taking up VW as of yet as VW only give out an initial 2 year franchise with no further guarantees that it continues after that time.

    As a person in the know told me, dealers across the SE are reluctant to take on VW as the initial investent to get it off the ground with no guarantees of a longer deal with VW is a massive problem.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    it’s because both Mercedes and VW are rolling out the agency sales model throughout Europe which severely affects traditional dealerships ability to negotiate on price, and make profits. Cars will be ordered online for a fixed price, it will then be up to the dealership to negotiate only on the trade in, if there is one. There is currently little incentive for privately owned dealerships like TM to invest in expensive showrooms, it’s time to cut costs and see who survives the transfer to agency. Virtually all car manufacturers want the Tesla way of selling cars, online ordering which cuts out the middleman/dealership.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    Word is that Mercedes wanted huge investment in showrooms with no long term guarantee and Murphy's would not bite. Not a question of losing franchises rather not being willing to commit to huge investment at this time. Mercedes only have 2.5% or thereabouts market share.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,339 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    "McConnells informed their staff of this earlier this month."

    Do what's going to happen with them?



  • Advertisement
  • Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 9,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭Aquos76


    Some of their staff will be finishing up with them at the end of September. Some other garages have already looked at the premises, but no one has shown any real interest in it up to about 10 days ago anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,654 ✭✭✭goochy


    Wow that's mad news wouldn't have ever imagined Tom Murphy not selling Vw

    Mc connells not a great Toyota dealer . Maybe they will take on MG



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 759 ✭✭✭ltdslipdiff


    'Not a great dealer' in what sense??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,483 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    I know there were a couple of lads there with a bad reputation among people I know, and my own experience when I went there. But they retired since, so maybe it changed.

    But I found them grand for services at least.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Is that your way of saying they didn’t sell you the car you wanted for the price you wanted?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,483 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    No, it's my way of saying they were utterly uninterested in selling a car at all. It's like I was just in the way and they wanted me out as quickly as possible, despite being the only customer there at the time. I didn't even get as far as talking about prices or trade-ins.

    I've heard the same from others that this couple were just like this to deal with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,654 ✭✭✭goochy


    No I meant premises are not that old but look low rent and outdated

    Rather dull stock too



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I’ve never found that myself, but do appreciate that different people can have different experiences. Given that they most likely work on sales targets and commission, it would be unusual to find a car salesperson who doesn’t want to sell cars. Is it possible they mightn’t have been interested in what you were trading in? It’s the only reason I can think of why they wouldn’t want to sell you a car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,483 ✭✭✭JohnC.


    Like I said, I didn't even get to mentioning a trade-in. Guy in Clonmel practically bit my hand off for my old car, so they got my money instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    Always found them decent to deal with.

    Buying a car anywhere can depend on time of the month for sales figures. Often better to buy late in a calendar month when dealer may be anxious to sell to make up quota..



  • Advertisement
Advertisement