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Are you holding off on extension?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,013 ✭✭✭Tim Robbins


    That's really good. If not exceptional.

    What insulation was used? What part of the country are you in?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,718 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    92.5mm on the walls. Floor insulated and roof insulated also. I'll dig out the bill of quantities. I'm in NE Kildare.

    Just to add we had 1 lad came in looking for 120K.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,013 ✭✭✭Tim Robbins


    ok so that's older spec. Sounds like 12.5 is coming from plasterboard, meaning your getting 80mm insulation. That's more like a 2010 spec way better than before that. But, current spec you would be wanting at least 120mm (50% more) and really good spec would be at least 150mm (almost 100% more). Because the insulation has plasterboard, I am suspect you got cavity block rather cavity wall. That can mean less block work.

    Similarly, triple glazed windows can be 50% more than double and if you have any exterior doors, it's around the same there.

    It's not going to make much difference so well done on the price you got sounds way cheaper than Dublin. What probably helped you get a good price was your location.

    We ask 7 builders for quote. 3 wouldn't even do a quote even though they saw the plans etc. Ended up almost 4K per square metre including vat for builders finish and interior painting.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 696 ✭✭✭houseyhouse


    That’s crazy it’s gone up so much in a few months. I have been told by my architects though that regs for electrical have changed recently pushing up the cost (thicker cables or something?)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭WacoKid



    Could have been the builders I asked for quotes at a time when their backlog of work was strong etc. and so they 'over quoted'. I will tender again in Q1 next year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭SharkMX




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭SharkMX


    I came on here to check what prices people were getting. My Dad got a 40 square meter single story kitchen extension done in 2019 for €65k and I thought that was expensive. Now helping my sister look for quotes and came on here to compare. I think looking at the posts i better tell her to just give up the idea :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭Korvanica


    Have a 60sqM 2 Story Extension and Renovation of existing (110sqM) to tender - first quote we got back was 410k. South Dublin. Was quoted between 180 and 230 in early 2020 for the whole job :(





  • We couldn't get anyone to tender for it and just gave up. Whole thing was designed by an architect and ready to roll, planning obtained etc. It's all expired now.

    Paid the architect and will keep the drawings on file for maybe sometime in the future.

    We just put some cash into decor and paving instead.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭denismc


    That's pretty bleak, plenty of new builds going up around me but absolutely no extensions from what I can see.

    There seems to be little interest in the building trade at the moment for doing extensions, to be fair building a new house is probably easier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 321 ✭✭kevgaa


    It gives a good insight into how crazy the building market has gone in the last 3 years with prices doubling.

    Saying that the devil is in the detail with quote so what are you getting for the €410k?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,308 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    Thats cheap... I know a couple doing an extension to a bungalow in Mount Merrion.. its costing 800K.

    Cherry Garth is the estate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭Korvanica


    Got another quote there this morning.

    280 Excluding VAT and PC Sums


    List of PC Sums

    PLumbing - 22k

    Windows 20-35k depending on material. Alu vs PVC etc

    Electrics - 18k+

    Bathrooms Suite/Tiles (3 bathrooms) - 6-12k 

    Kitchen - 15-25k

    RSJs - 12-15k

    Engineer - 3k

    Skylight - 3k

    Velux Windows - 4k

    Flooring - 25-45 per sqm

    RSJ approx 10-14k


    Back to the drawing board - as this is out of our budget now and getting close to planning expiry too so not much hope saving enough before. Also don't think the works will add the value to the house equivalent (or even near to what we would end up spending).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,504 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Someone's going to retire on the strength of that job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 321 ✭✭kevgaa


    So that is 280k 140k of pcsums the 60m2 double extension and retrofit of existing house.

    Total of 420 ex vat so total of 476K

    what is the breakdown of costs between the extension and the retrofit?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,270 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    I presume its extension + retro fit for a large house if its in Mount Merrion.

    Im halfway through a 200m2 retro and a 70m2 2 storey extension, I'd be delighted if it was only 800K!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,504 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Its all relative. Large house! I think I know the estate. They wouldn't be anything special.

    We are delivering new builds in the west the size of your retrofit and extension for half that 800k.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,270 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    I think they are about 200m2, which would be large for Dublin, miniscule for a one off in Kerry though, but the commute would kill you ;)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,718 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Extensions are surely slowing down for these lads now. They have to be at these prices. Throwing out 300k and 400k for 50sqm. Mental stuff really. There is fair profit in that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,718 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Btw who the hell needs a 270sqm house. Thats a mansion.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,504 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    250 is pretty much the minimum standard for rural one offs now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,718 ✭✭✭Gusser09




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,270 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    There has to be some benefit to living in the sthicks! :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,132 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    It is unnecessary tbh loo laa stuff. Ours is 220 and it's big. And it's prob by people with 1 or 2 kids or none..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,504 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Sure when clients want kitchen dining living areas 6m x 15m, it tends to add up.... and add a separate sitting room as well, not to mention all ensuite bedrooms, master bedroom with large dressing room and a laundry room half the size of the ground floor of a typical semi d.

    It can be tough to get down to 250 sqm.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I am holding off on one for two reasons,


    Cost went up by a lot.

    Cannot get anyone to come and actually do the work!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,718 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    I know a pair who have added a 72sqm open plan kitchen. WTF like.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4 GMGFirst


    Last year I was looking to add a downstairs toilet to a 3 bed semi D as I wanted a second toilet (1970s house) The quotes I received were astronomical. Initially I was looking to add a porch extension and add the toilet that way as I don’t have room under the stairs. I was quoted anywhere from €20-33k for essentially an extra 3-4 sqm !!

    I then decided to take a different approach and look at knocking the wall between the kitchen and dining so I could add the toilet under the stairs by taking from the kitchen. I was quoted upwards of €40k!!

    In the end, I had a fab en-suite built from scratch. Best decision in the end and cost €15k all in (included all materials, tiles, sanitary ware, etc). The work was done by bathroom guys I had used before so I knew their work well. I was confident that the job would be done properly whereas with a lot of the builders I was concerned halfway through they’d tell me it would cost another €10k or something.

    I’ve also be looking to get external wall insulation done but can’t get over the prices. Originally, it was about €20k before the grant. Now companies are quoting €30k+ so that ain’t happening!

    I’ve also noticed that nearly every builder or home improvement guy that comes to quote is driving new and expensive cars. They seem to be the new millionaires !!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭WacoKid


    It seems some crews have switched over to attics and internal renovations as their primary work. Attics especially are in high demand with remote/hybrid working now the norm. They can do 2 attics or more in the same time an extension can be done, and make the same profit with a lot less uncertainties around foundations, drainage, weather etc.

    It may then leave less crews doing extensions and therefore demand is still high.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,965 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    wow I was considering getting an extension done to my place in north Dublin, thought it would be something like 30-40K including a new kitchen and toilet, didn't realise prices had shot up till I read this thread lol

    Oh well, will skip that plan ;)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,132 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    30-40k extensions haven't been seen here in over 14 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,965 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    Yeah I hadn't actually gotten any quotes yet, but definitely wasn't planning on spending more than that.

    I'll just do up the garden instead of building an extension on it :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,718 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Shop around and put in a garden room instead maybe. Things are only going one way still even though some thinking we would see a slow down soon. Not going to happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,965 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    Garden room sounds interesting...how much those typically cost?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 202 ✭✭bfclancy2


    25sqm probably cost 40K, all depending on spec of course



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭SharkMX


    My brother just got a 25sqm one for 24k. Insulated, connected to electrics, water and toilet, for that too. You could live in it if you wanted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,718 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    It only seems acceptable for the government to provide modular solutions for a certain cohort. They can't be seen to be interfering with the developers and or construction sector by allowing individuals to solve their own issues.

    We'll get the usual response to this which is fair enough. It is true though.

    A lad I know just put up a garden room. Lovely job. Fully insulated and plumbed with a kitchenette. Electrics are certified. It cost 30k. This was for his son. The alternative was to let the son out a rent a room in a shared house for 1k a month. In an absolute dump too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,965 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    Nice, maybe you guys could PM me the builder/supplier pls?

    I've got a free ticket to the self-build show in Leopardstown Racecourse in couple of weeks, so looking to get some suggestions on what to do with the space there too

    https://live.selfbuild.ie/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭andy125


    I was quoted 140k for a 40sqm single storey extension, i got the quote only to see what it would have cost me had i used a contractor, they wanted 10k to knock the existing flat roof extension about 20sqm, it cost me 800 for a skip and a weekend to knock it.

    I have footings and ground floor slab in and my cost is at 5k so far, direct labour and doing as much myself is the only way i could have a hope to build this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭danfrancisco83


    Fair play, love to know how you get on, good luck with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,368 ✭✭✭phormium


    I consider myself so lucky that I managed to do a kitchen extension in late 2020 early 2021, I must have just hit a sweet spot before prices rose, now it was a small extension basically to push out the existing back wall of kitchen/dining room by 2m along a length of 5m with new roof on that part and 2 velux windows plus 1 very large floor to ceiling window. Total cost including new kitchen/appliances and 5x5m of lvt flooring approx 31,500. I don't have particularly expensive tastes so it's an mdf kitchen and laminate tops but I love it.

    The kitchen didn't include a new island as I was repurposing part of the old kitchen counter, the initial cost for doing that went mad in the few months while I was deciding how to configure it as I had decided to live with the kitchen for a while to see how best it would work. Anyway the countertop part alone had well over doubled in price from initial quote so I ended up making the island myself using the old framework and ordering the countertop directly.

    Sympathies to anyone trying to get building work done now! 😔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭mp31


    Did you do the footings yourself or get direct labour for that? How did you go about finding direct labour?



  • Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭Robert Jackson


    Sounds about right to me as me and my sister bought a house in Gloucestershire in August 2022 and had extension work done prior to moving in we were originally quoted 1180 but the eventual total cost was about two hundred and fourteen thousand i dont know what type of work you are having done but I would imagine you are going to struggle to get it for anything less than a hundred and twenty five thousand



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭andy125


    Dug the footings myself, got someone in to do the block footings, it's just knowing friends of friends that are in the trade really and knowing they are good workers.



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