Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Are they though?

British society has been deeply troubled and destabilised by mass immigration and illegal immigration.

The current government there were elected on a mandate to confront the problem.

They have.

It is not their fault nor their business that we in Ireland refuse to take our border or our security seriously.

It is not their fault or their business that our government has encouraged, incentivised and participated in a process of mass, unregulated immigration. So much money is being passed into private hands by this madness that I think it is fair to call it people trafficking.

They are at least trying to safeguard their country while we flail around and attack everything but the problem at source.

No one is to blame for the current crisis, or the far, far worse crises to come, but the leadership in Ireland.

Good discussion about all this on the Pat Kenny show just now. One interviewee pointed out 'you can't return people to a country that doesn't want them' i.e. Ireland will have to find other ways of managing the people crossing the border issue.

I missed it… i take it that interviewee was an NGO representative? Who was offering the opposing view? Not wanting them and having an international legal obligation to take them back are two different things.

Who has the ability to appoint and remove ministers? - not the electorate.

put a couple of huge IPA centers in her end of the constituency and she won’t be returned as a councillor. But she’s happy to visit that upon others. We’ll get the same guff she gave about not being able to take a Ukrainian refugee… happy to leave them in rural Kerry, Clare, Donegal.

Has solid proof on this been established as of yet though? From what I have read, the high figure being cited of IPAs using the NI route appears to be based on an inference that people who apply for asylum anywhere else than an airport or port must have come across the land border. Inference is not fact, especially when there are reasonably rational reasons why a person might see a benefit at applying at the IPO rather than immediately upon arrival into the State at the airport (ie, fear of being denied entry etc).

It stands to reason that the ease of crossing the border would present a good opportunity for people who have made it to the North and want to apply for asylum in the south. But it would be good to know more solidly how much of that 80% is just a big assumption and how much can actually be verified. Has anything been put forward to that effect?

Don't we have a problem where asylum seekers are essentially "untouchable" and above the law unless they commit a crime serious enough to put them in jail?

Like on Mount Street - we provided them with alternative accomodation with sanitary facilities, and then like soft parents we allow them to go right back to Mount street. And now, Simon Harris talks about a "consensual" approach. Why is it consensual, are we literally unable to just give these people orders or instructions while they reside in our country illegally?!? But the Guards plenty able to shout orders at irish people protesting.

We need to wipe the floor with the established parties at the coming election. They need record low votes and record high for alternatives. Only way to get a semblance of change in tact.

But I don't understand why they are so hell bent on disproving the Northern route.

This whole thing has exploded now and is nothing but negative.

WheWhether they are coming in through the airports or coming in through the north does not change the fact that the country has had enough one way or the other.

Say what you want about the plurality of media — I'm all for media platforms with different views — but I genuinely pity anyone who laps up what Beattie says there as being fact. Not least the idea that somehow the Irish government is to blame for not agreeing to border infrastructure which, even at that, was not infrastructure that was ever proposed as being one aimed at tracking or monitoring the flow of people — only goods. It's just an unbelievable re-writing of history.

This whole thing is crazy.So if we send the AS back up North on a bus. What stops them just walking back ?

The country is now looking into a potentially horrific bleak future.

Am I reading into this too much or did leo jump ship because of this?

Oh and where is O Gorman he should be in front of tv camera every day

I'm not sure that living on a tent on Mount Street, with the city centre rats running about the place, is the definition of being "untouchable". It's hardly the position of people who have some great hold on power or authority is it?

The Gardai could chase them yes, but to where? Where else could they be chased to where you wont just complain that the Gardai shouldn't chase them from there too? Or more of the Derek Blighes don't appear to protest their presence?

I'm all for building facilities to house asylum seekers rather than have them languishing in tents on the streets. But in the absence of that it seems odd to suggest that they are somehow lording it over us from their tent....

I never mentioned aid?

I think we need to start focusing on how wealth flows from the west to fund corruption in the global south, similar to what we've done with terrorist organizations.

It's not just me who thinks it's very much in our best interests.

https://www.linkedin.com/news/story/equality-vital-for-future-growth-imf-5952644/

Remember those who tried to cross the wall in East Berlin for thirty years?

That's where this will eventually lead to as governments will be overthrown