Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

We can’t even get them sent back to the other EU countries they’ve already claimed asylum in!

https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/libraryResearch/2023/2023-12-11_l-rs-note-refugees-in-ireland-the-eu-and-worldwide-refugees-in-ireland_en.pdf

They really should consider letting AS work.

https://asylumineurope.org/reports/country/netherlands/reception-conditions/employment-and-education/access-labour-market/

Numerous reports and studies showing the positive economic impacts of IPAs.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2015/10/how-refugees-can-benefit-the-economy/

https://www.aaas.org/news/western-europe-asylum-seekers-benefit-host-countries-economies

https://www.worldfinance.com/special-reports/refugees-are-an-economic-benefit-not-burden-to-europe

https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2024/02/15/new-hhs-study-finds-nearly-124-billion-positive-fiscal-impact-refugees-and-asylees-on-american-economy-15-year-period.html

https://ec.europa.eu/futurium/sites/futurium/files/jrc107441_wp_kancs_and_lecca_2017_4.pdf

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/refugees-are-a-win-win-win-formula-for-economic-development/

The post shared the same article yesterday but directly from a french far-right site.

I cycle that street twice a day and the rate it has been increasing is alarming alright. On Friday I noticed for the first time that they've actually started appearing on the other side of the road too.

They cleared it for Paddy’s day so we wouldn’t look bad in front of the yanks.

They are now right beside this brand new hotel now and around all the Georgian buildings.

Honestly, Mount Street is a fairly well to do area, I'm surprised it's gone on as long as it has.

Had a more detailed look at this paper and surprise, surprise, it's actually self-published.

It's really the lowest of the low, getting into scientific racism stuff, Africans have lower IQs etc.

Are you suggesting that the government is not? What do you think should change? Continuing the current situation is not an option - there is absolutely no balance at all. The entire process is being abused with certain people making tidy sums of money. What price should the Irish people and the people of Europe be asked to tolerate if the EU (or the Irish government) does nothing? Where do you suggest the common sense is in all of this? As it stands Europe is seemingly expected to host an endless supply of people coming from all over the world.

There needs to be a massive movement to remove the pull factors - no more kids gloves. A very hard stance should be taken an "illegal" migration. Whatever laws need to be looked at/changed/enacted, so be it. Where do you think Europe will be in 10/20/30/40 years if the current trends continue?

At a very high levels the UN Refugee convention needs to be looked at (or at least the 67 protocol). Its been 70 years. An update is very badly needed in the context on the world we currently live in, not applying the world in the 40's/60's to now. I do not think the politicians back then could envisage refugee status being hijacked in the way it has today.

The EU/NGO's should stop picking people up off the coast of Africa and ferrying them to Europe. They should be brought back to the African coast. Failing to do so just encourages further behaviour - allowing this to continue is insanity. The same with the land borders and islands in the Mediterranean. To use a previous analogy, its like your house is on fire but you keep throwing fuel on it instead of water.

Any countries that refuse to take back their people should be sanctioned and any aid received cut/removed.

As for Ireland our immigration system/policy is beyond a joke at this stage. All the hard decisions need to be made around changing how we approach this - just look at the eye watering amounts of money spent in the last two years and it does not look like it will be decreasing anytime soon. Are you happy for this to continue? The time for trying to be everyone's best friend is long over.

The government have said that they would not supply funding to any organisation that was not aligned with government policy. One would assume that should their policy change so should the allocation of funding.

As we currently have to process asylum seekers in the country and we are not a charity for everyone looking a better life:

• Abolish the right to remain. If the courts, IPO/IPAT have decided someone cannot stay, the justice minister should not be able to overrule this.
• Enforce deportations out of the EU ( everyone is fingerprinted- a failure in any EU should prevent an application in another - no point in allowing failed applicants to bounce around the EU. It home countries refuse, set above.)
• Remove the right to work - the asylum system should not be seen as an alternative to the visa system.
• Quicker decisions and remove the ability to tie the court up for years with appeals etc.
• Limit access to welfare/Healthcare/education/housing etc.
• Limit access to citizenship.
• Committing of any crime is a bar to application and automatic deportation.
• Anyone who comes in via NI is an automatic rejection/deportation.
• Anyone arriving without documentation is an automatic rejection/deportation.
• Limit the number of applications per year

and the list goes on.

I bet you would see a massive drop in all the apparent "refugees" when word gets out we are no longer a soft touch.

I am not going to get started on the abuses of the student visa/visa system.

Any before you reply with international obligations etc

1. Yes i am aware some of the above is currently prohibited by law - change the law. Its what the policy makers are paid for.
2. The Irish governments only real obligation is to the people of this country and they have the ability to propose whatever laws/changes to the constitution where needed.

Its called a PR exercise, it will achieve nothing. Only good news for the guards is they will make plenty of money from it.

Is there a reason that we are not utilising Army barracks or Army land to provide this safe shelter instead of fields in Saggart or towns in north wicklow near Greystones? Surely the Curragh is a large plot of land owned by the state with security on site

The government appears to have a deliberate policy to tell male asylum seekers that there's no accommodation in the hope that they leave.

This isn't working.

What do you think happens when people are left destitute with nowhere to live and no income?

Crime.

Little enough Gardai on the streets, and now We are sending more on a PR exercise to the border, depleting resources elsewhere. Not the time to leave thousands desperate.