Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Are you suggesting that the government is not? What do you think should change? Continuing the current situation is not an option - there is absolutely no balance at all. The entire process is being abused with certain people making tidy sums of money. What price should the Irish people and the people of Europe be asked to tolerate if the EU (or the Irish government) does nothing? Where do you suggest the common sense is in all of this? As it stands Europe is seemingly expected to host an endless supply of people coming from all over the world.

There needs to be a massive movement to remove the pull factors - no more kids gloves. A very hard stance should be taken an "illegal" migration. Whatever laws need to be looked at/changed/enacted, so be it. Where do you think Europe will be in 10/20/30/40 years if the current trends continue?

At a very high levels the UN Refugee convention needs to be looked at (or at least the 67 protocol). Its been 70 years. An update is very badly needed in the context on the world we currently live in, not applying the world in the 40's/60's to now. I do not think the politicians back then could envisage refugee status being hijacked in the way it has today.

The EU/NGO's should stop picking people up off the coast of Africa and ferrying them to Europe. They should be brought back to the African coast. Failing to do so just encourages further behaviour - allowing this to continue is insanity. The same with the land borders and islands in the Mediterranean. To use a previous analogy, its like your house is on fire but you keep throwing fuel on it instead of water.

Any countries that refuse to take back their people should be sanctioned and any aid received cut/removed.

As for Ireland our immigration system/policy is beyond a joke at this stage. All the hard decisions need to be made around changing how we approach this - just look at the eye watering amounts of money spent in the last two years and it does not look like it will be decreasing anytime soon. Are you happy for this to continue? The time for trying to be everyone's best friend is long over.

The government have said that they would not supply funding to any organisation that was not aligned with government policy. One would assume that should their policy change so should the allocation of funding.

As we currently have to process asylum seekers in the country and we are not a charity for everyone looking a better life:

• Abolish the right to remain. If the courts, IPO/IPAT have decided someone cannot stay, the justice minister should not be able to overrule this.
• Enforce deportations out of the EU ( everyone is fingerprinted- a failure in any EU should prevent an application in another - no point in allowing failed applicants to bounce around the EU. It home countries refuse, set above.)
• Remove the right to work - the asylum system should not be seen as an alternative to the visa system.
• Quicker decisions and remove the ability to tie the court up for years with appeals etc.
• Limit access to welfare/Healthcare/education/housing etc.
• Limit access to citizenship.
• Committing of any crime is a bar to application and automatic deportation.
• Anyone who comes in via NI is an automatic rejection/deportation.
• Anyone arriving without documentation is an automatic rejection/deportation.
• Limit the number of applications per year

and the list goes on.

I bet you would see a massive drop in all the apparent "refugees" when word gets out we are no longer a soft touch.

I am not going to get started on the abuses of the student visa/visa system.

Any before you reply with international obligations etc

1. Yes i am aware some of the above is currently prohibited by law - change the law. Its what the policy makers are paid for.
2. The Irish governments only real obligation is to the people of this country and they have the ability to propose whatever laws/changes to the constitution where needed.

Its called a PR exercise, it will achieve nothing. Only good news for the guards is they will make plenty of money from it.

Is there a reason that we are not utilising Army barracks or Army land to provide this safe shelter instead of fields in Saggart or towns in north wicklow near Greystones? Surely the Curragh is a large plot of land owned by the state with security on site

The government appears to have a deliberate policy to tell male asylum seekers that there's no accommodation in the hope that they leave.

This isn't working.

What do you think happens when people are left destitute with nowhere to live and no income?

Crime.

Little enough Gardai on the streets, and now We are sending more on a PR exercise to the border, depleting resources elsewhere. Not the time to leave thousands desperate.

Might as well just give it over to Asylum seekers as well at this stage like nearly every other hotel in the whole country.

@recyclops

Because soldiers live there. I wouldn’t be too happy if I was a member of the DF and all these poor unfortunates were living in the accommodation block next to me!

like Mullingar or kilbride army barracks for instance ?

I wouldn't count on that. forced to provide for themselves because the state left them destitute? Claims for asylum in? First offence?

most wouldn't eveneven get a sentence, and probably would not be deported unless it was a crime

actually the Fair City shooting location on RTÉ grounds in Donnybrook would be nice and safe - you could even give them jobs as actors

Cant be safe for people living or working in the area either.

It sounds as though once the tents are removed this time, they are gone for good. At least according to Harris.

If you get arrested and sentenced then any claim for asylum should be automatically rejected and the offender banned from the state…

The message needs to filter back to the countries of origin that the state isn't going to provide you with a home and money when you arrive here.

So - we are the end of the immigrant line in Europe, the EUs terminus for immigrants ..

All about house values. We can't be having that 🤣 😂

The group said residents are "being forced to live in untenable and unsafe conditions while still obliged to pay property taxes, as the property value has crashed for owners".