Cork GAA Discussion Thread

There are a few things about Pat Ryan that simply doesn't cut the mustard.

1. He doesnt know his best starting 15. The team he started against Waterford was a poor call.

2. He is too slow to make changes and not tactically inept. Worse than Kingston and Meyler ever were.

3 Persistently going with the old lads and that includes Hoggie. Yes Hoggie is one of the best players to put on the Cork jersey but imo he should be just an impact sub now or 50 mins player max if he starts. Cahalane and Lehane have never been good enough and should never put on the Cork jersey again. Yes they are giving huge committment to Cork and we thank them for that but the latter two are simply not good enough and never were.

4. The goalkeeper is an issue and he needs replacing. He shouldn't ever start for Cork again. He's useless.

5. Cork are too open in defense, this is going back years to 2013.

6. Cork didn't take the league seriously this year and last. They need to start doing so because we all know they can't produce it when it matters in championship and short seasons are now becoming the norm for Cork hurling.

7. Not enough u20 players were brought into the panel from All Ireland winning teams. Why isn't this happening when Cork hurling is going through a crisis?

8. The Cork team are now a bunch of bottlers and that tag needs to change fast or we will become the Offaly of Munster hurling disappearing into the horizon. Until we turn it around, we are always going to be the softies in the hurling world.

9. Limerick will still beat us when everything is on the line for Cork hurling but people be still happy with Cork if they lose and dare not question or criticise the performance. We are accepting lower standards in Cork hurling now for a county with a proud hurling tradition.

A few things from yesterday.

Firstly Clare two of Clare's most influential players were very quiet for the most part of the game but when they were needed Fitzgerald and Ryan stood up.

They all talk about Joyce being this great centre back but that's two games in a row he has got cleaned .

Fitzgibbon had a great goal chance than he funked with a very poor shot and this on Quillivan with not much confidence after the previous week.

Cork supporters except the team to be winning as they have won a few 20's All Ireland . Tipp have won a few too and they look a mile off the pace.

No pettiness. You said he was convicted of assault. I pointed out that you were wrong which you were and you admitted that albeit in a rigmarole roundabout way but you admitted it. It's no more complicated than that.

It's hard to win anything when you don't have a dominant half back line, and no one up front to win the ball apart from Seamus Harnedy.

It's been this way for well over a decade, and until it's resolved then we'll be continuing to bang our heads against a brick wall at senior level.

If we do lose to Limerick then hopefully we'll still be in with a chance going into the Tipperary game. I looked at the Tipp thread earlier and they seem to be even more despondent than us!

The historical main two biggest powers in Munster hurling possibly playing off to avoid the wooden spoon! At least Tipp to be fair did win an all Ireland as recently as five years ago though.

How could we still be in with a chance with 3 losses?

If 2 teams finish level on points it goes on head to head between those 2 teams. If three or more teams are level on points, then it goes on scoring difference across all the matches. I think (open to correction) that it's slightly different in Leinster where the scoring difference would only be counted in the matches involving those counties.

If Limerick and Clare win the rest of their group matches, we beat Tipp and Tipp beat Waterford, then 3 counties would finish level on 2 points each and the team with the best scoring difference would get third spot. Tipp already look in trouble if this is the case, but then again Cork and Waterfords scoring difference could also take a dent against Limerick aswell.

Basically we want Tipp to beat Waterford this weekend.

Jaysus lads that's a bit of a stretch there. It would be absolutely embarrassing for Cork to get through with 3 losses.

A question on the sending off for any expert on the (actual) rules… I had to re-watch the sending off again and a few things struck me… as pointed out the ref didn't consult with linesmen and he was back towards the half way line, while O'Donoghue did aim to cut off O'Donnell it was shoulder-to-shoulder and no elbows raised. If O'Donoghue is significantly bigger than O'Donnell physics will dictate O'Donnell will come off worse.

There's a lot of aggressive shouldering in hurling, starting with the throw in and those seem to be fine. Later on in the All-Ireland series players will be getting bigger hits and those won't be called either. So, what's the official reason for the sending off here?

If Waterford lose to Tipp, Limerick and Clare there would be one, albeit it's a tall order alright. I'd happily take it. Any extra games we can get the better imo.

I assume Rule 5.11c - to charge an opponent for the purpose of giving a team mate an advantage. The penalty for a player already booked is to be sent off, and a free from where the offence took place.

If O'Donnell had possession and the shoulder was fair, then obviously that isn't a free.

Regarding consulting, the referee has "the power to consult" and "on a needs basis" with umpires. But the referee's decision is final. In this case you could see that the referee was looking directly at the incident.

For example, if he hadn't seen it then he has the power to ask the umpire what happened to help him establish facts.

Cheers for that, good to know in future.

Only problem with this is that in theory every county could lose at least two games and qualify under the current system. So taking this to its logical conclusion you'd have no All Ireland champions potentially. Kilkenny played in the 2019 All Ireland Final after losing two matches.