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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,861 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Bolting the door isn't an option anyway when neoliberal and conservative governments have created a demographic time bomb whose ticking becomes louder each year. Millenials are getting past the point of having children but they'll still need their pensions paid for and care to boot.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 574 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    Imagine having pride in your country outside supporting it in English sports.

    Embarrassing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Paddico


    I occasionally fly an Irish flag from my house. I'm very far removed from from the far right Nationalist party discussed here. Have friends from the 4 corners of the globe of all races and creeds.

    I'm not an extremist Republican either.

    Maybe its time we take back our flag as for me it its all to do with the pride I have in my country. Absolutely nothing to do with the shower discussed here



  • Registered Users Posts: 574 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    Do you have problems with people flying Palestinian flags from their property too or? See a lot more of them than I do Irish ones.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,975 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Yep I was saying similar to my mother the other day. There's unprecedented global crises including global warming and a nation being invaded. The reality is that it's gonna shift things for a long time. Ironically enough then far right groups have patched onto propaganda that the likes of Russia and the far right in the US are pushing.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 620 ✭✭✭scottser


    So, we're all a bit more skint because of boom-bust economics. War and poverty elsewhere means refugees everywhere. Rich get richer and everyone else gets poorer and the solution to this is somehow a leprachaun doing Hitler impressions?

    Jesus wept.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,659 ✭✭✭Speak Now


    were at war but not anymore!



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Immigration in Ireland is totally chaotic imo.

    I'm all for Immigration if its done in a controlled and well enforced manner, which by a long shot is not happening in Ireland hence all the unrest. Ordinary decent people are not going to stand for it no matter how many times they are called far right Nazis.

    I can't really see where you're getting the view that the country has improved on health, housing and transport. Someone living with their parents sitting in traffic after spending 30 hours in A&E might have a different view.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,582 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Everyone is making a balls of immigration , not just Ireland.

    Starting from the fact that a lot of the countries currently struggling with it have a role in some of the root causes of immigration in the first place.

    In terms of Health, Transport, Housing.

    Health Outcomes are better today than at any previous time - That's just a fact - We're on the higher end of the scale among OECD countries for all major categories. If you have a serious illness today , your chances of survival are significantly higher than they were 10/20/30 years ago , simple as that.

    A&E has always been sh!te - I remember getting my head split open at a Rugby match in Galway 34 years ago and it was faster for me to get in the car with my Dad and drive back to Dublin (before motorways!!) and get a house call from my GP than it was going to be to get seen in Galway on a Saturday afternoon.

    Housing has always been an issue - Yes they were cheaper 30/40 years ago , but Interest rates were also running at 18-20% and no one had a job to be able to get the mortgage anyway.

    Same with Transport - The transport infrastructure is immeasurably better than it was before. The average time to travel between the major cities has dropped considerably with the new motorways (the notable exception being Limerick/Cork route) and despite the recent increase in road deaths , the roads are a lot safer than they were historically.

    Are there areas of the above that are currently struggling and causing issues? Yes of course , but taken as a whole they are a lot better than they used to be.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I believe there are plenty of people that would do a better job and are more competent but why would you bother with politics. Better paid work in Private Sector for less stress.

    Talented people stay out of politics. It seems to attract a mix of pension seekers, careerist politicians, nepo babies and people who go in with great hopes to change things and are handcuffed by the whip system.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,582 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    A fair point - What would attract someone to enter Politics at present?

    It's a pretty toxic place to be , even if you are doing a decent job and are working with the best of intentions you still get hammered left and right.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Definitely there are alot of countries the UK included that have added to the causes of this mass migration, but saying that Ireland has very little impact if any.

    On the issues of services I still cannot agree we are any better off though but that's my opinion and maybe Another thing that comes into play when services are concerned is maybe your postcode. There is a massive difference in infrastructure in this country depending on what county you live in.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,582 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I live in the arsehole of nowhere and technically speaking my nearest "Full Service" public hospital is Limerick.

    Limerick has been a car crash of a location for the ~20 years that I've lived in this part of the world , it's issues are nothing new despite all the extra millions sent its way.

    But even with all that , if you get a serious illness today you have a significantly better chance of survival than your Parents would have with the same condition.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Same as that, my nearest hospital is Letterkenny. And at the moment I know lots of people who are scared to death about having to go to the hospital. I'm sure were all well aware of a case not so long ago that ended drastically, well a spokesman for that hospital stated that patients after triage who were classed as needed to be seen within 15 minutes faced a 19 hour wait. We have definitely gone backwards imo.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,861 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Has Justin Barrett given any indication that he would make any of this better?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 69,006 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    He'd deport a huge % of those working in the health service, causing it to fall apart completely instantly. That's about all any of his party (either of them) policies would cause in health.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Why would he deport people here working and paying taxes.

    Would you not think those who are not working and have no intention of working and have no legal right to be here should be deported.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Deport everyone, leave the EU, bring back the death penalty, make everyone speak Irish again.

    Hes still running under the National Party in the Euro elections

    https://galwayreturningofficer.com/european-and-local-elections-2024/nominations_euro_2024



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,412 ✭✭✭Shoog


    What most people cannot see is that the crash led directly to the rich getting richer. Quantitive easing meant that money could be borrowed at near zero interest - but the only people who could access it were the already rich. They borrowed at zero interest and literally bought everything up for free thanks to the central banks.

    The consequences of this cannot have gone unanticipated when the little wheeze was hatched so there was a coup caused by the rich to benefit the rich. Most people don't even realise why prices have nearly doubled in the last few years and yet the super rich have never been richer.

    The terrible thing is that those very same rich people realized that revolution was a potential outcome so they started to pump huge amounts of money into the hard right to get the plebs fighting among themselves rather than coming after the architects of their poverty.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,412 ✭✭✭Shoog


    I know plenty of people who died waiting for a cancer diagnosis 15 years ago, your chances of survival are infinitely greater since the centres of excellence were introduced. Health care even though massively overstretched is still far better than it ever was.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    I know people waiting for diagnosis now and are being told 6 to 12 months before a specialist available. Unless you have a couple of thousands to go private. All about money and how much you have. The more money you have the better survival chances.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,412 ✭✭✭Shoog


    This has always been the case. Public services are still better now though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    GP services nearly non existent. Nearly all now doc evening service now, and all they do is send you to a&e. Big part of the problem. Minor ailments clogging up hospitals.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,556 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    This is how his former outfit impacted conditions at one of our hospitals

    Spokesman Justin Barrett one of those fined £100 on a public order charge would not apologise to the upset family of a dying woman in the hospital during the picket because, he said, they did not believe they had caused offence.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,412 ✭✭✭Shoog


    We have a primary care centre, our GP was good but she would send us up to the A&E for just about everything, the primary care centre has much more resources and can deal with most things in house. Primary GP is an Indian.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,861 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Unlikely to fix the HSE then. Thanks for sharing that.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,274 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Good question. As I said in my original post I am suspicious about the timing of all of these Irish flags. I've walked the same routes for the past 4 years but it's only in the past 2 that I have seen these appear.

    In contrast there's a nearby hotel that flies the Irish flag and always has done and that doesn't bother me at all.

    Much like I suspect that the sudden emergence of Irish flags is happening for a reason I think obviously the emergence of Palestinian flags are also happening for a reason. Personally I'd have more time for people wanting to show solidarity with the Palestinians while they are being obliterated by the IDF then I would with people who are unhappy with a few more brown faces in their neighbourhood.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,274 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    I agree. It bothers me that our flag is being co-opted by the far-right in this country, in the same way that the English flag has long been co-opted by the far-right in that country.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 69,006 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Because that's the stated policy of his party.



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