Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

At least the eye sores are gone and the poor residents and business can sleep easier at night but this blight of immigration will just be moved to someone else's door and once again the Irish citizen will suffer once more

"if he gets it" … that's the issue… the only thing this man is fleeing is his wife and six children.

If everyone were like him, multiply our IPA numbers x 7, see how long the country lasts.

Never ending. A national disgrace that must be stopped.

He says…

I think it is… you will get a house…

He obviously thinks thats what happens if your application is successful.

It's not about throwing hands up in the air — it's about being humble in recognising the enormity and complexity of the issue. This thread is full of people who just want to vilify certain politicians, complain about the status quo, and pine for easy solutions that simply don't exist. This achieves the square root of f**k all. There is no sustainable future for migration policy that is not built on learning to see the sincerity behind the views of those who have different opinions from you. So for those who spend their time on here arrogantly calling others incompetent, or stupid, or unpatriotic, or uncaring of Irish people — I say, enjoy the intellectual masturbation but know that you are part of the reason why problems with migration will persist.

If you want my solution, I will say it time and time again that the interests of all European countries are absolutely aligned in ensuring that the external borders are made more robust through deep and proactive partnership with North African nations and other countries from which migrants are entering illegally. Military/naval/physical infrastructure can only go so far. We need to co-operate with these countries, not give them "aid" or threaten them with punitive measures, but enter deals as equal partners for extensive trade, development, security and (yes) likely offering those countries legal working opportunities for their own citizens in Europe. This also involves heavy assistance to the likes of Italy and Greece and (again, yes) an equitable programe for the sharing of refugee intake across Europe to avoid any one country being disproportionately affected.

I think that's as close as we are ever going to get before we have to start looking at tougher travel restrictions that will affect us all and the reversal to some extent of the ease of international travel. But interests are not aligned on this so it won't last.

The Dublin agreement will be scrapped when the pact is in force.

Id happily accept reduced travel freedom if it meant better controls on who enters a country. Populations sizes dictate that if this is allowed to continue all European countries will be unrecognisable in a generation or two. Slum villages will pop across the continent.

What's the long term plan to house these 1000's of men and their families?

Build "nouvelle banlieue" around the country to house the new arrivals is the only long term plan as the numbers will rise to 100,000 in the next 5 - 10 years..

Great post.

I was just thinking that . Sending refugees back across the border, clearing away tent shandy town of vulnerable people, even jailing one Sudanese man for arriving with no documents - aren’t these the policies of “far right extremists” ?

What’s going on? (Maybe common sense, a bit late perhaps though).
NGOs have their own agenda, and understand will protect their own interests. But all our mainstream media have questions to answer as to why they branded measures like this as “far-right” up till now.

In an ideal world this would be fantastic - we do not live an ideal world.

You suggest having to make agreements with at least 14 countries at an EU level. This would take years if not decades to finalise if ever. Lets see how well dealing with Russia/Belarus/Libya goes.

Even if it was achieved, every time one of the countries has a disagreement over something migrants can be used as a tool to try and strong arm the EU.

Bearing in mind the EU haven't bothered with anything like this so far.

And before we even get there what is even the point of creating all these new rules and deals if we do not enforce the ones we currently have.

Whatever about the burning and other criminal acts that some engage in fair play to any “traveling patriot” who does no engage in personal hate or the likes. It’s obviously been a massive factor in bringing this all to light.

had it been left to RTE and “independent news and media” we may have never known there was an issue at all(excluding locals). I know my own locality would worry too much about what the neighbors think to stand at a picket.

I know that is not directed at me but this two things are not a big deal. As EU citizens we could all technically have an open visa in the EU anyway but then again that’s how it works currently, extreme lack of enforcement of borders and quick deportation of bogus asylum claims is the issue I think.

Big deals would include banning flights or not allowing travel to/from certain countries.

"more robust through deep and proactive partnership with North African nations and other countries"

You're talking about countries with corrupt and unstable governments, poor human rights records, mass civil unrest. military junta's in power… So building the sorts of relationships you're talking about just isn't realistic..

The message is still out there that the streets of Europe are paved with Gold, peace, prosperity and a better life for the migrant and their families and until that ideal is turned around by EU Governments then people will still risk their lives everyday to get here.. And once they land on European shores there's food, shelter and medical attention that no matter how bad it looks to us is still 1000 times better than where some of them have come from…

I think it's more than just travel and physical restrictions which would be required. I think a big factor in the increase in migration in recent decades is ease of accessing information pretty much about anywhere in the world. Even back in the 80's, which is as far back of my personal experience of emigration from Ireland goes, Irish people for the most part moved where a family member, or somebody from their locality, had become established. It was a common pattern for somebody from a village, once settled, to take in a flow of people from their homeplace, helping them to get jobs, accommodation, bank accounts etc set up.

All that can be done so easily now, and for people coming to live undocumented etc, networks are and will be in place to offer, or promise these things, and to help transport or smuggle somebody into their country. Australia for all that they've been able to physically control people coming to their country are now struggling with 'almost industrial-scale' criminal enterprises exploiting immigration.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-04/immigration-visa-compliance-crackdown/102932864