Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

It’s been a lot longer than a year. For almost a decade people have been saying that this would never happen to Ireland, we’d only get the “good” refugees, the doctors and engineers. Once that was proven wrong it was that we’d never see tent cities in Ireland as the numbers wouldn’t want to come there. Then it was “far right” to complain. Now we’ve broadcasters calling the people of Europe who are against this “terrorists”.

It’s time to defend the borders of Europe.

An analogy to this problem are the arguments surrounding 'climate change'.

Do we as a state bring in measures that will attempt to limit the damage caused by our citizens? Even though we are tiny in terms of the overall problem. And when these measures can be costly and limiting to the population.

Or do we spend our resources and time on mitigating the effects of 'climate change'. Managing it and limiting it's downsides on our territory as there's little we can do about elsewhere.

Which gives better bang for our buck?

We can help and I think we should with self help development in say Africa in our own limited way. But we can't tell other EU states to do the same, we/they may agree to do this but we can't enforce implementation if some don't. At the end of the day, we can only attempt to control what we can and that is what happens within our own borders.

And that's where our focus should be.

That's fair enough but I think that if you desire to see a self-sufficient domestically focused migration policy in Ireland that achieves the things you want in any sustainable way, you are doomed to a lifetime of abject disappointment. That's your choice, but you'll still be an unhappy camper on the Boards threads of days to come.

Once people are here, dealing with them is difficult. We can fantasise all we want about an efficient deportation program that works every time and every one just happily goes along with it forever — but the reality, as I see it, is that we will achieve very little unless it's based on a pan-European / EU aligned policy re the external borders.

What gets me is it's being forced on us.

What gets me is those responsible eg Simon coveney and Leo vomitir have walked away like they've done nothing wrong.

Some of the most unstable countries in the world there, and to take one of those you mentioned, Ethiopia as an example of a Government which is relatively stable with their Capital city being quite prosperous too then what hope have lesser nations got to have working deals with the EU?

https://www.reuters.com/world/eu-restricts-visa-provisions-ethiopian-nationals-2024-04-29/

"The European Union has decided to restrict its visa provisions for
Ethiopian nationals due to a lack of co-operation from Ethiopia's
government over repatriating those who stay illegally, the EU Council
said on Monday."

The global south's priority is not a relationship with the West but with the rest instead and increasingly so.

Ireland are not going to be the one country that disregards human rights or the Geneva Convention, no matter how much you want it. It's just not going to happen

when rescued - bring them back to North Africa and not Spain, Italy, Greece etc. Deploy more ships until they get the message that jumping in a dingey and attempting the crossing does not result in access to Europe.

I think that unless conditions improve in the global south, the crossing will always be worthwhile for a lot of people.

And that's even to come here and live undocumented.

I think a big factor also is that children born here, while not automatically given citizenship, in practicality have to receive some sort of leave to remain and healthcare. It's a better life for the next generation.

(Conditions in global south)That won’t happen in our lifetime and probably never if history has anything to say.

He clearly intends on getting a job and renting a six bed house.

Joking aside in this messed up housing market how is it justified that half a million euro is spent on a house for a family halfway across the globe who probably never heard of Ireland until a few months ago. The world is a harsh place but we just can’t do this while we expect working people to borrow huge sums to live in other counties because they are priced 50km out of their locality.

It’s all well and good being charitable when people have housing, access to schools and GPs etc but not when the social contract is broken for people living and working all their lives here. Not fair on working immigrants either who have worked hard and live in slum conditions paying exorbitant rent to live 4 to a room.

Also the working legal immigrant never has a decent shot at planning to build their own home which is totally wrong due to council rules(most).

No, this again all goes back to removing the pull factors. People will still chance it as the EU as a whole is still far far too soft on illegal/unwanted migration.

As long as it takes for traffickers and chancers to get the message. This is a recent phenomenon, what changed? North Africa was destabilized by the US/French. Like others have said pull factors need to be nipped in the bud.

on the land border point - I I arrive in Poland I should not be allowed elsewhere, I should be detained and processed. If genuine asylum seeker then distribute through Europe. If not return to point of entry or origin, ideally I should not have been able to walk into Poland in the first place, but I agree with you it’s impossible to secure a land border the size. That being said we should be securing(in some way, does not have to be a hard border crossing) our own from the north, especially if 90% of our illegals migrants are coming via the north.

Half them probably thought they were being bussed to their house that Rod promised, speaking of which, where is he? Haven't seen him since the referendum defeat.