Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

!! everything I work for they get handed https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/90850-statement-regarding-mount-street-update/

All the anti-immigrant voices on here are missing a trick.

Invite loads of immigrants here, and conscript them into a militia. They will form a meat-wave for when we invade the North and reclaim it. For the Unionists that remain, sure we can just do a Gaza on them - Israel has shown you can do whatever you like and nobody will dare stop you.

Then when we have the North we can lop the green and orange bits off the flag and have a lovely, pure and unadulterated white one..

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I am absolutely not trying to say that this is always going to work — treaties and agreements between developed countries often fail to work properly (the Dublin protocols a fine example) — never mind those with the developing world. In fact I am saying the opposite — it will be a perpetual issue requiring re-think after re-think for the rest of our lives and the rest of human existence.

If the agreements fail, they fail, and we are back to the point of having to rely on deportations that we can't always ensure. But if the agreements make some difference, even for a while, until such times as you can re-think, then they are worthwhile. And you simply keep trying to co-operate with origin countries because this is more or less all you can as punishment and even aggression can only last so long and ultimately only encourage the factors that actually make people leave those countries.

There is no eternally sustainable solution to any of this however. That's something people will need to make peace with.

I mean another example I can think of is on the border with Egypt and Gaza… The Egyptian Govt. won't allow any refugees across the border, so if there closest geographically and culturally similar neighbours won't take them what chance have the EU of arranging deals to process and house migrants?

Medical card? I've spent hundreds this month on healthcare.

You think they'll be working paying a mortgage in their lifetime in this country?

My arse.

Really? I think you're badly out of tune with public sentiment not just in Ireland but also in the UK and across the EU.

We are a sovereign nation and with a substantial majority 80%+ of the population that considers we have a migration problem and must do something about it.

You should be part of the solution, not defending an utterly dysfunctional system that is clearly not fit for purpose.

I don't quite understand your point here. But even at that, the Gaza Egypt example is a complex one that has an ideological motivation behind it in addition to the practical motivation (ie, they don't want to be seen as facilitating what the Arab world sees as the attempted ethnic cleansing of Muslims from the region etc).

There are hundreds of thousands of refugees in Egypt by the way, which further reinforces the point above as to the particular ideological motivation regarding Gaza.

Our government is just offshoring our climate crap. Closed down Bogs then importing cheap peat from other countries.

The village/town I’m from has a farmer who sells fresh veg from his yard. Fresh from the field most mornings. Family have been farming here in probably the best growing soil in the country. He’s currently facing an €80k tax bill because the local council zoned his fields residential. We’ve one road in and out of the place, chock a block with cars because of the amount of houses built on farmland with zero infrastructure to go with it and more planning all over the place. Where is our food meant to come from if all the growing land is concreted over?? It’s a ticking time bomb. We need less people in Ireland, not more. We are a society first, and an economy second. The government has this arse to front.

Point is what I stated originally, that facilitating stable agreements on immigration with North African/Middle Eastern countries is going to be far from reliable and easy.

Ah but a year ago Helen, her colleagues and supporters/cronys were busy with their "international obligations" or looking for the "far right" and racists hiding under beds. They can't be looking at the immigration crisis while denying it and labeling anyone who says otherwise just to silence people.

This is typical of government, they are always slow to react and only when it becomes a crisis or if their seats are under threat will they make decisions. If they tackled these things head on at the start and nipped it in the bud it would be better for all. It is the same with the Mica issue, they knew about that more than a decade ago but did nothing and now peoples houses are crumbling and still they dither, where as if that was dealt with when first reported it would have saved a lot of heart ache and money.

Also it is not this government but most governments in this country all act this way.

Posters have said I can't see what we can do, it's easy, start deporting them. A Government that can dump 60 odd billion of unsecured bondholders debt on us could sort that with no problem. Never mind emergency legislation to send them back to the UK, that's a non starter, pick a country, preferably where you originated but in any case you're not staying here.

Posters like Kaiser & myself were saying last year, this wasn't going to end well, absolutely no plan, the start of the mess was taking all of them from Ukraine, men as well. We should have decided exactly who we were going to take, not the other way round of where was safe.

McEntee reminds me of Mary Coughlan, not a clue but she had to take Daddy's seat.

Can't see the encampment returning to Mount Street and environs this time. Jim O'Callaghan TD not a happy bunny.

But surely the Phoenix Park would be perfect, close to city and loads of space to establish a large community.

Brian Dobson talking shite on rte now, asking were the people on mount street “given a choice” about where they were going or if they wanted to stay where they are. I don’t know why when government representatives come on air try to answer or defend these type of questions. Maybe rte would like to take them in…?!?!

Nah, Herbert Park or the Grounds of RTE would be much closer