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parkrun, lap two

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,408 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    I wouldn't say I don't care as I like scrolling stats. Would it stop me doing parkrun though? Absolutely not. If they removed milestones and pbs then I might be more indifferent to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭brick tamland


    All fair points, I just don't think it will have any impact on attendances at all like what was claimed above



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 733 ✭✭✭Duzzie


    Agreed, I don't think think the current removal of stats will result in a significant decrease in participation. I suspect that the current change is more likely to put off regular volunteers who have put in a lot of time into parkrun and are more likely to have an interest in the stats. I have already seen people saying that they are likely to volunteer less. However, if as suggested, event results are changed so that you only get your own time, or even times aren't given at all, those changes would result in a big drop off which I think is the drop off alluded to in previous posts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Sandwell


    I'd agree with that alright. Can't really see it happening though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,471 ✭✭✭Sunny Dayz


    People on a predominately UK parkrun facebook group were getting quite riled up about the confirmation that stats were not returning. I actually left the group because it was so negative.

    Yes I'd rather they hadn't taken away the stats - I manage the social media for my local parkrun and quite often do up the run report and sometimes the stats were interesting or handy to dissect. I think it's that parkrun HQ seem to have said that they won't take the feedback from parkrun regulars and that decisions are made at HQ level (and not taking into account the community views) has annoyed people.

    There was rumblings online that the results would be removed, that timing would be stopped. It had kinda grown legs a bit!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 733 ✭✭✭Duzzie


    The idea of removing the results or making them open to the individual or "friends" only was something the Russ Jeffreys suggested in the meeting with the Bring Back The Stats group that could happen next so I'd suggest it is more than just online rumblings unfortunately.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,123 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Parkrun HQ have managed to turn an annoying issue for many regarding the removal of the stats, but something people would eventually have got over, and instead they have confirmed their attitude towards volunteers and parkrunners and created a much bigger issue for themselves.

    They haven't solved the "gender issue". They haven't made parkrun more welcoming to those scared of stats who wouldn't have known about them anyway.

    They have confirmed the fears of potential future changes and their continuing inability to handle PR. The stats are now becoming a minor side issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 733 ✭✭✭Duzzie




  • Registered Users Posts: 421 ✭✭ISOP


    The promotion of walking is pushing people away from volunteering, a few years back it was unusual to be there for over 50 minutes in a volunteer capacity, now its well over an hour waiting for people to finish



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,123 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    The problem with their promotion of walking is that the only people who know about it is existing parkrunners. Volunteers wouldn't have a problem standing around for an hour if there wasn't 5 minute gaps between people after 40 minutes but HQ seem to think that renaming some volunteers bibs would make people turn up. That just gives people who like accumulating volunteer credits an extra way to do so.

    I don't think there is much which can be done on a national/ global level to encourage walkers (other than the insurance benefits which people got in South Africa). It needs the existing core communities in each location to reach out to their own local areas and get people involved that way.

    Some events do this already and when touristing you'll occasionally come across very different make up results, but it's entirely down to the core team.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,271 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    So, what would you say needs to be a minimum pace to attend Parkrun? 8 minutes a kilometre?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 733 ✭✭✭Duzzie


    personally, I have no issue with walkers. Most walkers finish in 50 to 55 minutes unless particularly slow. We all have to start somewhere. I certainly wouldn't would advocate time limits or excluding walkers. Most volunteers Ive come across are happy to be there for walkers, except when they aren't trying to be as quick as they can, like when they stop for a chat part way round or are obviously dawdling around.



  • Registered Users Posts: 492 ✭✭Butterbeans


    I don't have an issue with the removal of some of the stats, I would rarely have looked at them in the last few years. But when I started doing parkrun 8 years ago, I always checked them, spent a good bit of time diving around in them so I can definitely see why some people are put out. It won't stop me going. I've heard no chat about it at our local event. I'm a run director and I've not heard it mentioned by any of the other run directors, volunteers or participants.

    I was disappointed with some of the comments from HQ in the article, basically if you don't like it, f#*k off, others will take your place. It was unnecessary. And for me anyway, parkrun is all about community.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,836 ✭✭✭Trampas


    Should publish everything and if you don’t want your name appearing let their be an option on your account to hide



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,271 ✭✭✭✭flazio




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭ger664


    If they stop timing at parkrun I am afraid they will be the only children in the playground.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,471 ✭✭✭Sunny Dayz


    I agree with your second paragraph. Parkrun seems to have been doing a big push to get new people signed up by targeting walkers. But what about the people who are already taking part in parkrun? Don't forget about them. Parkrun was started out for runners to come together for a weekly run and chat after. Many of those who volunteer are injured runners, runners who have an upcoming race or family members. Yeah I'm confused about the "community" element also. Isn't that what the parkrun ambassadors are for - the link between the events on the ground and parkrun HQ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 799 ✭✭✭marathon2022


    Parkrun, the hint is in the name.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,709 ✭✭✭CR 7


    I noticed my local parkrun hasn't asked for pacing volunteers this weekend, there's usually pacers the first weekend of each month. Maybe this is part of the move to reduce competitiveness? Must keep an eye the next few months.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,271 ✭✭✭✭flazio




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 799 ✭✭✭marathon2022


    So what? Its still called Park Run, if HQ want to move towards making it an untimed walk then change the name.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,271 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Turning up 100 times is much more impressive then knocking 1 second off the fastest time in a competition that doesn't even exist. The record holder won't pull, they won't come to Athletics Ireland's attention and they won't pick up any life skills. All you get is a lonely 15 to 25 minutes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 799 ✭✭✭marathon2022


    Your steadfast apologizing for HQ is admirable, maybe you could answer this one

    If someone who turns up a 100 times is more important than someone who is trying to knock a second off their PB, what if the person turning up for the 100th time is trying to knock a second of their PB? Does that make them less impressive?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,271 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    That's their own goal and the reality today is that HQ still allow for that, you still get your PBs in your email. If you chose to share that then more power to you. In order to be a winner you don't need to identify the loser and throw down a gauntlet at them. Parkrun have never produced medalists in places where athletic organizations aren't looking. That's not their goal. UK HQ have horrible PR. No arguments there.

    Competitive athletics is not a team event. Parkrun is trying to encourage team comradeship, conflict of interest is going to happen.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭diceyreilly




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 799 ✭✭✭marathon2022




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 799 ✭✭✭marathon2022


    If there is no emphasis on the run why by call it Parkrun? Maybe simplistic but that's my point. Anyway, have a nice weekend. And enjoy your Parkrun if you get a chance.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,123 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    The 3rd finisher, jm11-14, at this event managed to collect some medals in the Tokyo Olympics. Not sure if UK triathlon had him on their radar at the time?

    The club data shown is not fixed to what it was in 2012.

    https://www.parkrun.org.uk/dulwich/results/36/



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭diceyreilly




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,238 ✭✭✭Wottle


    But why compare? Parkrun to me is whatever the individual wishes to get out of it.

    Whether that be a volunteer who never runs, transition year student learning a sense of community, a wife pacing a husband to his first sub 30, two friends walking at the rear or a club athlete who wants to give it a lash.

    So I really don't see the need to say the 100 timer is more impressive.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,196 ✭✭✭PaulieC


    the fact that someone has done 100 parkruns, walking or running, may put someone else off starting, if you go by HQ logic.

    That is essentially the same as saying you can't display time stats. Nobody is more impressive, nobody is less impressive, everyone is just what they are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭ger664




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭Reg'stoy


    Shout out to the extended family who filled all volunteer roles for the Donabate parkrun this morning. No one picked up their ball and threatened to go home, there were no discussions about forming a breakaway saturday afternoon event, no mobile phones were discarded in disgust, by runners unable to find over their post run coffee, where they would have finished with their time this day 7 years ago in a parkrun in Poland, just some people and a Sith Lord out for run/jog/walk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,836 ✭✭✭Trampas


    Maybe stop counting on how many events people ran or volunteered as it might put some people off as they’re all doing it so many times and I don’t want to be that first timer. When you start stopping one thing to please one group it can go into a vicious circle as you can kill it off by stopping touch much. It’ll be start when you want so it’s not a race of any kind



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,271 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Anyone who has done the Athlone Parkrun in AIT/TUS will be getting the "We were there" badge in the 5k app as the move to the regional sports centre is being classed as a new Parkrun called the "Athlone RSC Parkrun."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,033 ✭✭✭opus


    I'm sure I'll get there at some stage to collect my 6th iteration of that 'We we there' badge 😊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,271 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Too late, the last Athlone Parkrun was last Saturday.

    The first Athlone RSC Parkrun is this Saturday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,465 ✭✭✭Anesthetize


    Indeed it is 🙂

    https://www.parkrun.ie/athlonersc/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,033 ✭✭✭opus


    I was there maybe 6 years ago, I confused myself into thinking I had to visit the new event or something which of course I don't :)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭diceyreilly


    In Galway this weekend. So going to give Inis Mean a go.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,271 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Do you know how you're getting over there? Flight from Inveran can only take 8 people including the pilot, ferry from Rosaveel won't make it for 11. Doolin is quite a drive from Galway and I think only 1 ferry a month makes it in time but that might have changed.

    University of Galway is a good one, especially if you're alphabet chasing or trying to spell Parkrun because it's the only U in Ireland, north or south.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭diceyreilly


    im on the flight.
    its 9am.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,271 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Enjoy.

    Anyone seen the Voronoi filter on the 5k app? Basically the more isolated a parkrun is, the bigger the segment of the map you fill if you do the run. For example you shade in about 3/4 of Iceland if you do Erris Head and a fair chunk of the Atlantic if you do Bere Island.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,616 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    Hey all, I'm kinda new to parkrun and to running. I run so much better on a treadmill or when there is a pacer (there often is at my run). I could manage my pace better if my watch (Samsung Watch 6) were accurate, but it is not. Sometimes it overreads, sometimes under. The variation is around ~400m. Is there like a way to save the pre-created route run route in my phone so it always comes to 5k, and instead of trying to track where I am going in a vacuum it just tracks my progress down a known path?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,518 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Yeah, I know the bane of running the exact same route 2 days running and it coming up as 4.75K one day, 5.05K the next day.

    But the way I look at it is I know it's 5K and I know exactly where the 1K,2K,3K,4K points are, so I can pace myself that way and monitor my progress during a run or long-term trends. So not really an issue.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,123 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    After running the same route multiple times you'll likely find yourself glancing at the watch at similar spots on the route each time. You'll eventually notice that you normally pass a particular point at x:xx and then when you pass it at y:yy one week will know if you are ahead or behind your normal pace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,616 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    Yeah - actually the other thing I was doing while posting this was pulling up Google Maps and finding references for those points. It's laps of a park, and finding out exactly how long a lap was an calculating what time I wanted to end each lap at will help too!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,033 ✭✭✭opus


    I was visiting a friend in the eastern part of France last week & had to drive for around an hour to get to the nearest parkrun in Merzig Germany. Very friendly bunch there, course was complicated to say the least with zero marshals once you left the start but I just followed the locals so all good.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭py


    Annual closure of Marlay parkrun and junior to allow for concerts to proceed. Expected return in about a month.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,271 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Is Castletown any closer to resuming?



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