Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

@jack of all - "taxpayer's money is being squandered on providing for individuals who should not be here at all. "

From what I gather anyone from anywhere in the world especially from persecution or war torn countries have a right via various bodies and conventions that Ireland is signed up to .. to come here and apply for asylum. The only way around that one is for Ireland to leave the EU and sign off from these various conventions.

You may be implying that most applying for asylum here are economic migrants & should not be here? That may be the case, but the system in place from Irish government as is elsewhere is it has to process all due to above international things we are signed up to.

If there is fault its this and past governments handling of the migration / asylum issue. The long drawn out legal appeals system etc .. this could be seriously stream lined. Being reactive and basically up to recently, ignoring the migrant issue is a thing here politically. So in my view if blame is to be apportioned it is in the main at the door of governments past and present policy around this issue, not the migrants themselves who are coming here and from there perspective using the system in place. Re our past crazy system look at the direct provision system.

Be under no illusion - relative to the rest of Europe WE aint seen nothing yet in comparison to what the rest of Europe has to deal with over last few decades ( Remember the vast migration of Syrians to Merkels Germany OR Greece, Italy, Spain )

Also be under no illusion - this is going to get far far worse. As i keep saying here we are/will have mass migration from equitorial and south mediterranean regions, middle east - purely due to climate where these places now are reaching sustained temps of 45 deg+ … humans - biologically, medically - cannot survive in this .. add fires and extreme weather, flooding.

And also add WAR - Did you know we have a major worst war since WW2 at the moment on the continent of Europe for the last 2 years +? Russia's invasion on Ukraine, this has not gone away you know. This BTW is not going well for Ukraine at the moment. Do you think IF Ukraine falls that Russia will just stop & you will be left untouched by further Russian moves into what we call western Europe? From this and if Russia prevail in Ukraine expect millions more Ukrainians flowing west to us - Ukraine population is/was 40m+

If they applied for asylum in the UK, I don't believe they are entitled to then apply for asylum in another country.

You can't just have asylum tourism where people go from country to country chancing their arm.

Before the current fiasco, we had just about a manageable level of genuine migrants. Taking in massive amounts from the UK and housing them is just not sustainable or morally right. Its just the UK dumping their problem on us and Harris rolling over and accepting it, instead of telling them to get lost.

Regards Ukrainian refugees, that is a separate issue as I don't believe a single one would be eligible to be sent to Rwanda from the UK. Those eligible to be sent are likely those coming from relatively safe countries or whose case is not clearcut - eg someone coming from African or Asian countries where its not clear what they are fleeing.

I think they would reject the Danish model when they see what's actually involved.

I can't see that scale of indefinite detention going down very well. Especially with the cruelty attached with the 'motivation detention' approach.

From an officer in one of these centers.

“Our role here is not, as in imprisonment, to minimize the negative consequences of imprisonment. On the contrary, the negative consequences are an implicit part of the construction of these centers.”

https://jacobin.com/2021/02/denmark-zero-asylum-immigration-refugees

I can't see that Irish people would go for an approach that would keep an Irish child from their dad either.

https://www.fairplanet.org/story/surviving-denmarks-open-prisons-for-undeportables/

Even if there was public support for this, it still looks a very risky strategy. There's no proof that this approach does anything other than push IPAs towards other EU countries, the repercussions of which are not something economically I think we can consider.

After that it's leading to a 'race to the bottom' approach amongst EU countries. Failures of other deterrent based approaches would suggest that were these approaches widely followed in the EU they would simply cancel each other out. Europe as a whole, even with these measures would still be more attractive to a lot of potential IPAs. We'd then be faced with the implications of holding large amounts of people indefinitely, people living undocumented, kids growing up excluded from mainstream society etc.

You mentioned Norway and Sweden too but I haven't seen that their approaches are as extreme as Denmark's.

Maybe put the IPAS processing centre in the middle of Monaghan or somewhere isolated in a border county. Everyone has to go there to get a bed and whatever other goodies are ladled out. Garda checkpoint half a km away from this place.

Similar at Dublin Airport. You will be processed if you produce an airline ticket, but back up to the rural processing centre if not.

I dunno, I'm turning into someone I never thought I would be, which is "make it harder and harder for migrants" This whole debacle has changed people often into something they never thought they'd be. I'm still trying to see both sides but failing miserably most of the time.

I've seen several mentions on housing for IPAs being prioritized over housing for Irish people.

In one sense that's a very fair point.

On the other hand, let's face it, providing any real solutions for housing problems under an FFG government was never going to happen anyway. Derelict buildings were never going to be used as affordable housing for Irish people or the Irish homeless, at least not at anything more than the level of a token gesture.

FFG made their approach perfectly clear a few months back when they stated they didn't want to lower housing costs for fear their base would lose value on their assets.

I still think the most likely outcome from the next election is another FFG government, this time supported by a 'further to the right' coalition. So another 5 years of this approach to housing essentially.

@thomas 123 "You have brought up this theory of the equator becoming inhospitable- have you any links to any evidence"

This from 2020, but a simple search for equator uninhabitable on google will find lots more, inc more recent.

About the 40deg+ temps and human body, well documented and not a theory. We are already seeing these temps in the med and middle east and Africa last 2, 3 years. Climate migration is not a theory

You dont mention Ukraine / War related migration. We could be in receipt of alot more of that depending on how russia progress. I imagine IF Ukraine was not invaded and we did NOT receive 100k+ Ukraine refugees then this current migrant issue here would not be such a big thing

This is not an immigration issue any longer in my eyes.

It's a domestic security issue. The security of the state is under attack as the borders are down and the Government are no longer working with domestic security requirements as a priority. This is literally one of their main functions. The Government have gone way outside the mandate provided by the people here and are now actually going against it.

When I say security, I talk about ability to provide all the things that make this country a wonderful place to live.

Safety, security, housing, infrastructure, services.

”expected” based on nonsense modelling that’s never been right.

https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/18-spectacularly-wrong-predictions-were-made-around-the-time-of-the-first-earth-day-in-1970-expect-more-this-year/

If this continues, then in a few years time people will look back at Trump and Wilders with nostalgia that they were the worst we had to deal with.

It won't be a reason to seek asylum.

But the knock on effects of more conflicts and greater political instability will.

Besides, if the place is inhospitable people will come here, regardless of asylum processes.

More incentives to head to Ireland

Starting shortly, a new
International Protection Child Payment will be provided to all applicant families in the
system, which will provide an increase on the weekly allowance presently granted in
respect of children.

Pg10 first time local community mentioned

The Department has recently agreed to lease two locations from the HSE, along with a site from
the Department of Justice. Further sites/properties are being explored. These sites/properties
allow for the construction of fast prefabricated units to bring on stream State owned
accommodation in 2024.
Why this option?
Virtually all EU Member State utilise fast modern methods of construction to add capacity to their
systems in times of crisis. It is the most cost effective solution and allows for the use of
Ministerial Orders on State lands for exemption from planning to deliver solutions rapidly.
This method also brings on stream accommodation that would otherwise not have come from the
commercial sector. Due to the slightly longer lead in time to delivery, this State construction
model allows ample time to engage with local communities.

If you live in a larger urban town that hasn’t been saturated yet…..buckle up!

Final page

Imagine if they had the same urgency to fix the housing crisis or taking homeless Irish families off the street with thousands of homeless children just being left on the streets while we cater for people that have no right being in this country.

Sorry but they do have a right to be here, as asylum seekers under internationally signed treaties.

This idea that asylum seekers are illegal immigrants just needs to stop.

The hate its generating in this country is terrible.

Were the least worst we had to deal with more likely…