Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

When people mention that these properties will be set up as dormitory’s etc that’s fair enough but doesn’t change the fact that there will be a conveyor belt of people going straight on the housing list once they get through the process. That fella from Afghanistan with the six kids won’t be entering the private rental market if he’s successful.

Meanwhile workers have to make compromise after compromise with regard to housing and pay through the nose for it. We have one of the highest percentages of people living at home so of course the birth rate is tanking. I’ve always been left leaning but this issue is really testing me. It 100% feels like the government and the political parties have the needs of working people way down the priorities way down the pecking order.

Also I do not resent social housing. I don’t believe people should be in slums and it can only be good for society. It becomes an issue when we have economic migrants from halfway across the world abusing a system to avail of it. Especially when people working here cannot compete at all to get their own roof over their heads.

Rwanda, where 30 years ago they had a genocide. I wouldn't like to be an ethnic minority there either.

Sorry @thomas 123 .. I just saw Theory in your line - "You have brought up this theory of the equator"

I watch alot of Climate related docs and news shows on all the big stations ( "majored" from college with Geography etc ( Arts ) :D .. always interested ), nature programs, keen interest in weather, recently started that thread over at weather forum here on Tornadoes world wide, scarey stuff in south USA Nebraska region at mo.

Extreme weather is a thing, including extreme heat ( 40c+ ).. flooding, extreme heat is a thing on the med for last few years along with fires etc ( Friend of mine 2 years ago in Sth France had to come home due to 40c and fires approaching AirBNB property ). Pakistan and that region is in serious trouble. Its not really doomsday to suggest many people in these regions will eventually say fck this and move North. Migration btw is something that humans have done for 1000s of years, many times due to climate or unsustainable issues in places where they were.

No that's only optics, and particularly poor one. You may not realise that it was our government that demanded an open border with NI during Brexit, and even objected to British installing cameras apparently.

Any garda checks won't stop migrants because they can just say the magic words: They want to claim asylum.
Gards will have to let them through.

It's incredible how our government has walked right into these Tory sucker punches.

It always does kind of strike just how often people who speak of the ills and bad outcomes of migration also openly state that they are considering the option of — well — migration.

Migrating to another country from the safe, relatively peaceful and prosperous country of Ireland to go live abroad and take up property that could be otherwise taken up by the native people there and availing of the state resources of that country that otherwise could be focused on its native people. Sounds a bit familiar.

But it does speak to one of the wider challenges with dealing with migration, one I've mentioned before. You want the freedom to travel / holiday abroad and migrate for yourself — so you are part of a wider demand in the western world for relatively easy travel and the ability to move with relative freedom between certain countries. The problem is that when those channels are created, they work both ways and the channels can be used by migrants, including illegal migrants.

It comes back to the point that people want to tackle migration, but there is often a failure to acknowledge that the very things they want are the very things that make migration easier. And that's because people don't really like to admit that they are actually part of a perceived problem that they prefer to blame somebody else for.

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2024/05/02/asylum-seekers-brought-back-to-mount-st-on-buses-as-others-left-to-walk-dublin-streets-or-find-new-tents-after-encampment-clear-out/

The asylum seekers are back at Mount Street already, appalling incompetence from the government.

okay so since you don’t read the full post I’m going to pull back from replying further - not much point.

appreciate your overall point, but think it’s been blown out of proportion to an extent.

I haven’t read your last post there either.

A 53-year-old from South Africa who missed yesterday’s buses as he went to take a shower said he walked the streets throughout the night, as he did not have a tent or sleeping bag.

“I went to bathe and when I came back, there was nobody here,” he said adding: “I really need accommodation, look at my age.”

Must have been a long shower. "I'm 53 give me accommodation" doesn't cut it either I'm afraid.

Why stop there? Why not billet them with old people. What could go wrong?

Sorry but this post of yours has me mystified. The glaring difference in my (and my kids) emigration is that (1) it was forced onto us by our own governments cronyism and creating a housing market which will be unattainable to my children’s generation (2) I will (and my kids) be able to PAY OUR OWN way in our country of destiny. Purchase a property(s) and contribute to the our newly adopted land via our jobs or businesses.

You state that Ireland is a “safe” country ! My question to you is how secure are you in the longevity of this claim when it’s clear that the government are intent on creating a cultural shift in Ireland . How safe will this country be in 5 years ? , 10 years ? Do we know ? Socially the fabric of Ireland has already cracked imho.

Ah yes, the old Micheal Martin trick.

Not sure how “rightly” this is.

25-35 years ago a man could have a job in a factory, and a woman could raise 3-6 kids at home - afford a mortgage, a car and other essentials. Reverse the sexes if you feel like it, fact is 2 people could survive comfortably with one person working.

Today we have professional couples on 100k combined + unable to get mortgages because they are unable to save because they are paying out rent in the thousands, those that wanted to sensibly have kids young then pay another mortgage on childcare.

The state should impose “hard borders” on offshore property investment funds firstly and then hard borders on itself from interfering with private housing supply to solve the social housing issues it has and now to solve the migration issues…

Also (Obviously) the economy won’t work with everyone doing “better jobs”.

They werent going expecting handouts and houses…. They were going to live with relatives to get on their feet and work.

Its funny the majority or people bemoaning the state of the country because it is now, so much better, that other nationalities actually want to live here, that those bemoaners are now going to become immigrants in different countries. .