Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Jesus Christ lad, I near fell out of the chair there at the brief flash of perspective and positivity in the otherwise unending reel of doom that is this thread. I was almost just starting to believe it myself that patriotism invariably requires the perpetual insistence that the relatively safe, tolerant and prosperous country where people are by and large able to get on with the quiet enjoyment of life is actually (1) a f**kin sh*thole; (2) the laughing stock of the world; (3) a dystopian nightmare; (4) crap, a joke, ruined, something something.

But yes, you're right. Lots of things have changed in Ireland for the better so let's enjoy this happy moment before the next page of the thread brings us back to the reality that Ireland is a cold pile of shi*e that's only going to get colder and shi*tier.

Do they have a right to be here ?

I get the impression the there is quite a lot of illegal immigration.

People arriving in Ireland after travelling through several safe countries, sometimes spending years in these countries, even having been refused asylum in these countries.

Arriving here with all their documents destroyed , Why ?

Yeah, that's a pretty convenient line in the sand isn't it? Might start that one myself from now on — "here mate, this aspect is different so comparison is impossible, case closed".

Exactly. Apples and oranges

It doesn't really matter what most people here would agree on. The fact and the law is that claiming asylum is legal. Calling them illegal is just criminalizing and dehumanizing then and a.way of 'othering ' them.

Everybody coming here illegally of course are expecting freebies.

They can't work , have a pretty poor level of education and barely able to speak English.

Or is it the case that omar from Somalia, the neuro surgeon with heaps of money decides one morning to trek half way around the world because he heard that Lahinch can be nice in the month of May.

Come on , you come across as an intelligent woman , face reality.

We have a work visa system that works pretty well for a certain type of immigrant.

Well, apples and oranges are both fruit my friend. But pointing out that Australia is having a housing crisis and Irish migrants are part of the demand for housing, which means they are part of both the issue causing demand but also taking properties that Australian born people might have been able to otherwise get and afford is not some absolutely space-bending mental exercise of comparison. More like Pink Lady's and Granny Smiths than apples and oranges.

But of course, this base similarity can absolutely never be acknowledged because we must always be portrayed as the victims of migration and the issues it causes — and never the beneficiaries of migration or contributors to the issues it causes.

They were given a lot, low pay, the worst jobs, bad health/living in cheap overcrowded housing, treated worse than a Dog…

But they worked and worked hard, never getting any special treatment or hand outs.

Agreed. Capacity planning is the answer.

Having a plan that shows the capacity we have for accomodation and couples that figure with the estimated influx of asylum seekers is the only way to succesfully manage the issue.

Accomodation in the pipeline is factored in to the equation, including availability dates.

Its the obvious end game and we will get there. Eventually.

They countries they have passed through have taken way more refugees than us. Th enumber in Ireland are tiny in comparison. 13,275 applications in Ireland last year as opposed to 351,510 in Germany, 166,880 in France or 162,420 in Spain.

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/infographics/asylum-applications-eu/

The future looks depressing

a country where the majority can’t or won’t speak English. New generations living of benefits and expecting everything for nothing.

Workers not on any social welfare benefits unable or to buy or rent a home, whilst being taxed more to supplement them lot.

something has to change

You do realise absolute numbers don't work for your comparison?

If we were even half the French ratio considering we're an island, it's worrying. Yet we're above it.