Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3 - Threadbanned User List in OP

Options
1…700701703705706…718

Comments

  • Options
    #21062
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,474 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122082152#Comment_122082152

    You have noticed the word "post" in that right? There were no war zones in Europe post WW2.

    What there was was various degrees of ethnic cleansing and displacement of certain protected groups and nationalities. The UN describe precisely what I quoted from the Convention articles themselves. It is for people who must flee their own country "owing to well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, ". I don't know how much clearer this can be made that this is not for people fleeing a war zone.



  • Options
    #21063
    Blut2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Blut2


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122082286#Comment_122082286

    "Initially, the 1951 Convention was more or less limited to protecting European refugees in the aftermath of World War II"

    https://www.unhcr.org/sites/default/files/legacy-pdf/4ec262df9.pdf

    It was literally created as a response to World War 2 refugees, to cater for them, in the UN's own words. You should really actually read up on the convention before talking about it with such misplaced authority.



  • Options
    #21064
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,474 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122083363#Comment_122083363

    You are aware of what the word "aftermath" means right? There were no warzones in the aftermath of WW2. What warzone were these people fleeing!?

    owing to well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion

    You keep ignoring this insanely clear framing that is made of what they considered a refugee. It has nothing to do with fleeing a warzone. It is focused on those who were displaced because of their political or ethnic leanings. If they wanted to make it a broad statement for everyone fleeing warzones they would have.

    It was designed so people couldn't say "sure why would we take in these jews, Germany is perfectly peaceful at the moment", because that is what actually happened and they were acknowledging that they made a gross mistake.

    If you want to put forth that we should take in people from active warzones then fine, I support that also. But you keep distorting the point of the original convention on refugees which was never about their country of origin being in a state of war.



  • Options
    #21065
    corkie
    Registered Users Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭corkie


    Reported on Twitter by Dublin MEP candidate Malachy Steenson says he has information to suggest the govt are about to move all migrants from Mount Street to [place of major news last week] or Tallaght within the next 24 hours with the support of the government and riot police.

    On the TheLiberal_ie and couldn't find anywhere else reporting it? Worrying if true?

    @Ha Long Bay Sorry for replying to your post last night, should have quoted both posts.

    EDIT 01/05/2024 09:05

    https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2024/0501/1446689-mount-street/

    • Second effort to remove camp this year! There have been previous efforts to move those living in the area around the International Protection Offices on Mount Street area to alternative accommodation.

    It is unknown yet to what IPAS location they will be moved to.

    https://twitter.com/TheLiberal_ie/status/1785566777189019946

    Post edited by corkie on


  • Options
    #21066
    jmayo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Don't you know they couldn't be having a shanty town in the South side of Dublin city.

    It could keep growing and start moving towards Merrion Sq which of course has Dail and government buildings.

    Or perish the thought it start growing across the canal and into the land of embassies and private schools.

    Much better to shift them out to some town or village full of far right types.

    This government are clueless and what is worse and frankly astounding is how rank and file party members are not up in arms at this stage.

    Either party members act or they can forget ever getting support back.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #21067
    Blut2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Blut2


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122083406#Comment_122083406

    This shows a complete lack of knowledge of history. So just for your own reference:

    Almost the entirety of central Europe was full of warzone refugees in the aftermath of World War Two. There were circa 40million refugees in the aftermath of the war. These people were refugees because of the war. The official ending of the war with the Paris Peace Treaties being signed didn't magically solve the crisis. There were still large numbers of war refugees in Europe.

    The last Displaced Persons Camp, which were used to house refugees from World War Two, didn't close until 1959. That year is regarded as being the official end of the World War Two refugee problem.

    Try reading this at least for an introduction to the topic:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Displaced_persons_camps_in_post%E2%80%93World_War_II_Europe

    The UN themselves literally, and very clearly, say the 1951 convention was designed in response to, and to cater for, war refugees from World War Two.

    Its really not a difficult concept, I don't know why you're struggling so with it.



  • Options
    #21068
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,474 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122086579#Comment_122086579

    Because they were refugees due to fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion

    This is very specifically not a general term. I can read English is mostly why I'm struggling with your idea that the convention was supposed to govern those fleeing warzones. The reason certain people of German ethnicity couldn't return to Poland after the war is not because Poland was a warzone and not because Poland was not a "safe country" but because they uniquely would be at risk there due to their ethnicity. The war refugees could not return home because of singular characteristics, not because they had to flee cause of the war in general. A German who fled West Germany due to the war almost certainly would not have qualified for asylum had they applied under the convention.

    Georgia is not at war (at least yet, god knows what is going to happen there) but someone could very justifiably claim asylum if they are Georgian because there is a significant crackdown on anti-government protests. Hence they are at risk due to their political opinion.

    Ukrainians are not in Ireland as refugees and while I am no expert on the Irish refugee process, I do know that in many countries they would not even qualify as refugees because they can rely on their government to aid and protect them. Simply being from a country at war is not sufficient for refugee status and was never the intention of it.

    Why on earth do you think they delineated the specifics about persecution based on race, religion etc? It is an incredibly basic point. They could have simply claimed the Convention was focused on those displaced due to war but they did not do that.



  • Options
    #21069
    pureza
    Registered Users Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭pureza


    Well Mary Lou when asked on 6 one just now about how do you find out where these cross border migrants originally came from ...she says 'you interview them and Glean that information from them'

    Lol,Mary Lou,I dont think the IPO are proffecient in or legally allowed to do the type of interogations,some of the legacy members of your party might have been good at 🤣🤣

    Worst interview I've ever seen her do

    She had no answer anyway



  • Options
    #21070
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122086732#Comment_122086732

    She never did



  • Options
    #21071
    howiya
    Registered Users Posts: 3,281 ✭✭✭howiya


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122086732#Comment_122086732

    I think there's a Sinn Fein thread somewhere on here



  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #21072
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users Posts: 16,529 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122086732#Comment_122086732

    Must see is it on the player.

    Great to see her put on the spot.

    She is like a screeching banshee in the Dail most days.



  • Options
    #21073
    An Claidheamh
    Registered Users Posts: 3,675 ✭✭✭An Claidheamh


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122086732#Comment_122086732


    Of course, consistent FFG government policies of having :

    a legal gravy train to prolong this

    no police to defend locals from British organised PAYtriot thugs

    no accommodation (despite virtue signalling)

    funding hypocritical NGOs and their employees

    And now, bending the knee to their “colleagues” in the nefarious and untrustworthy British Tories to take in their British commonwealth subjects from Nigeria


    …. This is all Sinn Féin’s fault, all of it 🙄



  • Options
    #21074
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users Posts: 16,529 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Looks like the legislation they are pushing through won't be worth the paper its written on.

    Sunak made it quite clear today in the Commons no migrants will be going back.

    If she was working for a private company McEntee would be fired by now.



  • Options
    #21075
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users Posts: 9,127 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122087162#Comment_122087162

    There seems to be no accountability these days in Irish politics. For example, Minister Martin was in the same position as McEntee a few weeks ago re RTE- Inept, inaction, uninformed, rash judgement etc. We all thought she would resign before being pushed. However some other news story came along and she went back into hiding and the 'progress' on RTE stalled yet again. Notice how nobody in govt brave enough to mention the license fees. They'd rather bail out RTE. Muppets. McEntee seems to make a fool of herself on a regular basis but another news story often takes the focus off her. That's the way of the news world these days I guess. McEntee and Harris (equally to blame) will be hoping that a news story comes around soon to push the immigration mess off the front page.

    However the local elections are in 6 weeks. The electorate aren't that forgetful. Worth waiting for.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Options
    #21076
    pureza
    Registered Users Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭pureza


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122087162#Comment_122087162

    What are said migrants going to do when their applications are rejected? They get no money as little as it is now even and no accomadation then,just their own make shift cold wet tents

    Hardly nirvana or an incentive to come here

    Thats what the law is more supposed to do

    It reinstates the UK as Safe

    And remember only UK rejected applicants risk going to Rwanda

    If they cannot prove a need for protection in the UK,they wont here either

    Ergo they're fùcked and the flow will eventually get back to normal



  • Options
    #21077
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users Posts: 9,127 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Oh dear

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-41386576.html

    McEntee's performance labelled as 'disaster' at Fianna Fáil meeting.

    Bit rich since they own the Housing and Health portfolios.

    I guess FF are electioneering too?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Options
    #21078
    pureza
    Registered Users Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭pureza


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122087684#Comment_122087684

    I'd agree

    Micheál martin bossed this,with his experienced old head de escalating the reaction in GB to both the Taoiseach's unnecessary first comments picked up by the UK media (later nuanced better) and McEntee's

    Sometimes its the auld dog for the hard road and the pup for the path



  • Options
    #21079
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users Posts: 86,083 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I know from Gript so probably labelled as far right antagonists fake spoofers etc., but MM is really throwing Entee under the bus lately

    https://twitter.com/griptmedia/status/1785672532332265912

    https://forumofgames.com/




  • Options
    #21080
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122087684#Comment_122087684

    Don't worry about it

    Who cares about the HSE or housing

    National issues is not the responsibility of all voter or politicians

    Better off voting for someone who has no intention to fix anything and then spend 5 years slagging off anyone who tries to fix it

    Seems like a better plan to me doesn't it? 😂

    "electioneering"…. 😂



  • Options
    #21081
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users Posts: 9,127 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122088256#Comment_122088256

    Another deflection post with no substance. Great work 😉 Do you ever reply to the actual post content?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #21082
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,474 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122088057#Comment_122088057

    Suspect such things will become more common as the government reaches its inexorable end.



  • Options
    #21083
    jmayo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122087139#Comment_122087139

    Ahh FFS you are as bad as the undoubted government party plants around here defending in no small way fg, ff and the cabbage heads.

    sinn fein have done absolutely nothing to help ordinary people.

    They have and are continously labeling ordinary people concerned about their communities as far right racists.

    So much for sinn fein and their community work.

    Added to that they backed the failed referendums wasting peoples time and money.

    Then they tried to spin they didn't agree with them in the first place even though they voted for them.

    Even worse their leader said they would run them again.

    HELLO MARY LOU you absolute tool, can you not read the room yet.

    Added to that they have been vociferous supporters of hate speech legislation and have actually said it doesn't go far enough.

    sinn fein have shown their true colours showing they care shag all about Irish people.

    Their borders and immigration policy is now laughably referred to as "Brits out, everyone else in".

    And before mods crawl all over this because this thread is about government parties, but the complete lack of opposition from the main opposition party has to be highlighted continously for some folks it seems.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Options
    #21084
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users Posts: 9,127 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I just read that the Metro project has already cost 150m Euro. I'll post a link later.

    Definitely another FFG style Children's Hospital project on the cards there. Cui bono?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Options
    #21085
    An Claidheamh
    Registered Users Posts: 3,675 ✭✭✭An Claidheamh


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122089087#Comment_122089087

    “Their borders and immigration policy is now laughably referred to as "Brits out, everyone else in".”


    Yeah, invented by British soldier Rowan Croft - never saw him concerned about foreign men of military age in the North funnily enough yet he speaks of “sovereignty”.

    He is a British loyalist.


    Rest of your nonsense is not shared by anyone outside of your far right goosesteppers.

    Your policy is Brits in, Irish out



  • Options
    #21086
    An Claidheamh
    Registered Users Posts: 3,675 ✭✭✭An Claidheamh


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122087195#Comment_122087195

    Those webcam videos she does hardly help her either.

    They don’t seem to have the high production values of their party’s twitter page when they are propagating those anti-Shinner videos



  • Options
    #21087
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122089087#Comment_122089087

    Do you honestly think people are "party plants" on boards? 😂

    What exactly would any of the government parties gain from having people on boards?

    It seems to be daily now the accusation of been paid or a party plant etc etc.

    The same people seem incapable of understanding that someone has a different opinion to them



  • Options
    #21088
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,474 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122089584#Comment_122089584

    That is an utterly tiny amount of money for such a large project. You think planning and consultations for 3 years are free?



  • Options
    #21089
    Clo-Clo
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122090067#Comment_122090067

    Sure it's just lines on a page 😂



  • Options
    #21090
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users Posts: 9,127 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122090067#Comment_122090067

    It's on top of the 150 million already wasted.

    Fianna Fáil TD Paul McAuliffe said €150m was lost on the Metro North project, largely due the project having been being stopped when an alternative route was chosen.

    Asked if the NTA accepted this figure, Deputy CEO Hugh Creegan said that they did.

    Mr McAuliffe asked for details of the business case that justified "a Government agency to lose or set aside €150m" which will add to the eventual cost of MetroLink which is expected to reach "€10 billion".

    The NTA's Garrett Doocey responded that the decision to cancel the Metro North project was taken by the Government.

    "They're separate projects, deputy," he said.

    "But they're not. They're separate routes," Mr McAuliffe responded, but insisted that they are effectively the same project.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #21091
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,474 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122090574#Comment_122090574

    Fianna Fáil TD Paul McAuliffe said €150m was lost on the Metro North project, largely due the project having been being stopped when an alternative route was chosen.

    FF TD Paul McAuliffe is talking nonsense. That is not why the project was stopped.

    No idea what you think you are saying here. €150m was spent on Metro North but the project was cancelled because of the GFC. No one saw that coming and there was essentially nothing they could do about it. Now €150m has been spent on the new Metrolink project - it was either spend the money or not have a metro.



Advertisement