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Boss doesn't pay on time

  • 02-05-2024 5:04pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭


    Hi, I work in a office for a limited company so its just me and the " boss" who owns the office. He said my pay day would be last day of each month. It never happened to me before ( I worked for bigger companies and never had to face this kind of nonsense) I checked my bank to my utter annoyance the salary didn't come through. Last month also it was 1 or 2 days late.

    I tried ringing him no answer all day after I went working today. I am feeling so upset, but I want to deal with it as calmly as possible.

    Tomorrow is Friday and I am thinking whether or not I should quit, because I don't need this kind of stress. I know it's not going to be easy I dedicated lot of my efforts to this office and work.

    I don't know how it is going to affect my future job hunt, references , and so on. On top of all this I don't have supportive network around me. I have difficult marriage as well and my spouse won't listen too about my work problems etc. I feel alone and lost.

    I need some practical advice:

    Should I text him and say I won't come in to work until he pays salary or should I email or print a letter?

    Any ideas on how to deal this as pragmatically as possible?



Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,290 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Focus on finding another job first. Don't quit before you gave one.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Joh hunt and then quit you won't get social welfare for 9 weeks if you quit your job.

    And whatever you do, don't tell him your job hunting. Just do it and move on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,863 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭Ella108


    Long complicated story trying to write it short here: before I joined new work I had been a full time carer and relinquished carers allowance. Now impending Paperwork daunts me if I decide to go back to that... nothing makes sense now financially at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,080 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    You can get social welfare immediately if you are leaving because of "bullying" or other office-related stress.

    There are easy ways around the 9 week waiting list and they don't contact the former office to corroborate (don't contact the office in question)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,127 ✭✭✭kirving


    I agree, that's ridiculous.

    However, have you said this to him in person, about how last month your pay was late?

    Do you have a contract? What does it say?

    It may be that he's doing a manual transfer on the last day of the month (which was a Sunday in March) from Bank A, and it's taking a day or two to reach your Bank B? If the last day of the month falls on a weekend, your pay should be sent early, but I'm not sure how that is looked upon in employment law.

    Don't go sending an email or letter. This is a serious conversation you need to have (assuming that the pay is actually being sent late compared to the contract). You really shouldn't have to explain yourself - its none of your employers business, but you need add a level of seriousness too.

    Say along the lines of:

    "Hi John, I need to chat to you about when my salary is being sent. The contract says I'll be paid on X day, but it's hit my account 1/2/3 days last last month AND this month. My mortgage/car/insurance/loan comes out on the 1st of the month and I've already missed a payment due to it being late. I really need it paid on the contracted date from now on."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,797 ✭✭✭scwazrh


    agree with others don’t be sending emails or texts.Wait till you see him and ask why your wages are late.If a genuine reason try and find a solution,if he’s just acting up search for a new job .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭Ella108


    Woke up this morning and no pay, feeling totally put off going to work, and I don't know what to do now



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 41,230 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    As others have said, do not leave your job until you have another one secured - it is easier to get a job if you're already working.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,799 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Go into work, tell him you're unhappy that you're wages are late again and that you need to get paid on time every month. If possible get this in writing but if you can't at least record the date and time of your conversation

    If your boss doesn't take this matter seriously then you can take a case to the WRC for constructive dismissal and he may be fined.

    Ideally the employer will cop himself on and pay you on time, but if he doesn't, you should look for a new job and take him to the WRC for compensation after you leave.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,986 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    How long have you been working there OP?

    There could be a simple explanation such as the transfer taking time to get to your bank. If not actual day of the month was agreed that means it could be a number of days after lodgement takes place- sounds like you don’t have a good relationship with your employer. Stay calm, see if it can be sorted and if not look for something else behind the scenes - it’s a different situation than not being paid at all so it’s an inconvenience yes very much- but it’s not so serious to totally stress you out - if the employer wants you, he’ll ensure he puts things right



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,169 ✭✭✭antimatterx


    Happened to me in my first job and the boss said its no big deal it's only a few days. But god forbid you were a few minutes late for work all hell broke lose.

    It's a sign that the company is in financial difficulty I'd start job hunting now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,799 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Not getting paid on time is extremely serious if you have direct debits that bounce back and you can't afford to pay your rent



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,514 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    Not a direct solution to the problem but in the meantime can you move your direct debit days a few days later? I've done that to avoid overlap with pay day, most companies are happy to move it in my experience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,906 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    May Day happening this week could have delayed the transfer, but only by a day.

    I'd go in and ask him for a sub in cash today to cover you for the weekend (tell him you need groceries) and your salary in your account on a fixed same date every month (e.g. 28th of each month) from now on.

    I'd also start job hunting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭Ella108


    Something similar is happening, boss is always late, never available when urgent issues arise, and I am left to deal with the office on my own most of the time and when he's on holiday for few weeks and I am expected to be in office, he thinks due to less work ( which it isn't even the fact) he makes me feel like I am paid for free. Office has always been extremely busy, tedious amount of work, the old system wasn't efficient when I joined I made changes to improve and got only verbal praise, and when it gets closer to pay day his mood changes I noticed. I am definitely looking for other jobs at this point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭Ella108


    I am currently on my way to office with no answers. See, the reason I'm bit furious is because he has mentioned about my pay being cut few times into the job ( whenever he's upset about something) which I thought he didn't actually mean it. So at this point I'm thinking he's not going to pay at all, but I'll update here id anything changes. Maybe I'm thinking worse because I'm upset



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,997 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    It's completely unacceptable. Paying the worker what has been earned is literally the most fundamental obligation of an employer, and if he's slapdash about that God knows what attitude he will take to his other obligations.

    I understand why the OP is upset. They are right to be upset. But for reasons already mentioned in this thread by the OP and others, simply qutting, though entirely justified, is not an attractive option.

    OP should ask themselves "if this problem were solved and I was regularly paid on time, would I want to stay in this job?"

    If the answer to that question is "yes", then the best outcome is that the problem gets solved. In the OP's situation, I'd have a sit-down with the employer in which I said, as politely as possible, that, for me, being paid on time is absolutely fundamental; it's the most basic thing an employer has to do and, if the employer can't do it, that's a huge red flag for me. If it happens again, it'll be a quitting matter.

    (You don't have to tell the employer about your personal circumstances or your financial issues; they are none of his business and your expectation of being paid when due is legitimate and valid even if you're fabulously wealthy and don't need the money. So I wouldn't even mention this)

    If the answer to that question is "no", then the OP's priority should be to find another job. As others have said, do that before quitting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭Ella108


    Thanks so much for this perspective, appreciate your response



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭Ella108


    Working for 5 months, and I have 6 months probationary period as per the contract.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,737 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Sounds like there are multiple reasons why you should leave this job, not just the salary.

    Personally- I dont know if the best advice here is to 'talk to him' about it = the facts speak for themselves, and if he doesnt know already that its wrong to leave you unpaid, threaten to cut your pay, leave you to do crisis work when you've only just started and so on….I'm not sure that talking to the guy will make things better. Doesnt sound like a font of reason.

    I would simply say, I noticed my salary hasnt come through yet, do you know when its coming through.

    Also, as there is just the two of you……that accentuates everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭JVince


    Lets cut the excuses that there are delays in bank transfer. That does not happen these days.

    Banks here operated as normal on May 1st except for foreign transfers to account sin countries where May 1st is the holiday.

    For all banks here, if a payment is made in the morning before 11am, it is in your account that day. For same bank it is instant.

    Its either of 2 scenarios.

    1 - The boss has plenty of money and simply does not understand the concept of needing to be paid on time so that an employee can make their own payments.

    2 - The company has cashflow issues.

    If its scenario 1, then a face to face chat explaining that you have bills that go out on 1st week of every month and the importance of being able to depend on the salary being paid on time. If it continues next month, look elsewhere

    If its scenario 2 (you'd know if there are calls / letters for overdue bills), then be on the look out for new employment.

    I'm guessing its scenario 1 - many small business owners are crap at day to day finance (incl myself - hence I use an accountant to do staff wages) and possibly you could be the first employee and he just hasn't grasped the importance of an employee being able to depend on a payment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭Ella108


    Update: Boss let me know he paid this morning. Reason being he just was busy so couldn't on time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,902 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    Banks here operated as normal on May 1st except for foreign transfers to account sin countries where May 1st is the holiday.

    Agree with your other points, but this part isn't correct. May 1st is a SEPA bank holiday, all participants in the SEPA zone (which includes Ireland) are affected. The only transfers in Ireland that aren't affected are ones between accounts within the same bank e.g. BOI to BOI or AIB to AIB. Transfers between banks, like AIB to BOI or vice-versa, are affected by the May 1st bank holiday

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,782 ✭✭✭Damien360


    that’s a pathetic excuse. Find another job and get out of there. He will use that excuse over and over. Oh i was on holidays etc.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Who does the payroll? They can set up sepa bank files when preparing your payslip. Alternatively your boss can use his phone to log into the company bank account and make an immediate transfer. If you're paid the same amount each month he could do a standing order. None of this is difficult.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 41,230 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    So at least your boss has confirmed to you that you do not matter a bit to him. Thats was nice of him to be honest about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,906 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Its just not good enough.

    The last day of the month was 3 days ago.

    Good luck with finding something better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,997 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Not good enough. When you're busy, you have to prioritise. This means he is prioritising other issues over the issue of paying his staff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭JVince


    I disagree and agree 😀. He simply does not understand the importance of being able to depend on wages coming in on the date agreed.

    Its a one man band business. A simple chat about how important it is for the OP that payment comes when agreed and for him to take that on board, is most likely all that is needed.

    A suggestion is for him to put a reminder on his diary/phone on 27th of each month that the wages are to be done.

    If other aspects of the job suit you and this is the only issue at play, then try and get it rectified.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,523 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    This, SO is easiest, and it can then be changed if your tax credits change.

    Ask him politely, if he is that busy, set up a standing order and if there are alterations due to tax, it can be changed afterwards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,240 ✭✭✭bullpost


    Had similar. Eventually company let most people go. Its a warning sign. dust down CV and look for a new job but hold on to present one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,290 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Contact Revenue and check that tax is being paid for you.

    Also check your PRSI credits with Welfare (there's something in my head about there can be a systematic delay on these ... can't remember details)

    Best of luck with the job hunt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,906 ✭✭✭Ezeoul




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭Ella108


    Another update: I haven't received the salary again for the past month I have worked (no holidays, was on time every working day of the month etc no reason for him to not pay me on time really). I am expecting I'll be paid and that it is being delayed for no reason again

    I have finally resigned from this job I handed my resignation letter however I have been offered part time role which I have taken into consideration mainly because I currently have no job offer on hand and it will give me sometime to look for other jobs etc….

    I do feel a bit relieved that I wont be working in those conditions again and based on what follows I will decide whether I stay even for part time role or not.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭wench


    Is the part time role with the same employer?
    If you're the only employee, where will all the rest of the work go? You'll end up with less hours to get everything done, and likely still won't get paid on time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,997 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    If he wouldn't pay a full-time worker on time, why would we expect him to pay a part-timer on time?

    Take the part-time role, because you might as well have it while you're looking for a job. But start looking for a job now, and look as hard as you would if you were unemployed. Don't tell yourself that you'll wait to see how this role works out, because you already know how it's going to work out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭Ella108


    Another update. I got no contract of part time work, he hasn't ceased my employment yet on revenue. I am hoping to be paid for part time hours on time and probably cease employment myself because I can't do this anymore. I can't believe I even fell for part time work for this person. Right now, I'm finding it all hard. Life is hard. I am barely coping, all this facade has taken a mental toll on me and affecting my person life too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,228 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    Just leave, and expend all that mental energy on finding a new job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭Ella108


    Thank you



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭Ella108


    Quick update. I had resigned and ended on revenue for that job as he would not end my employment even though I handed my resignation letter. He actually gave me a very hard time at exit, kept me in limbo about part time work etc so I finally resigned last month. I trained the new staff ( even though I didn't really have to ) and left.

    Now I have found another job. It took some time with job hunting, but I did. It's not a perfect job, my boss isn't perfect but very reachable whenever needed and decent enough to deal with. Doesn't act like boss at all, has colleague vibe, and I don't have to remind anyone to pay my salary, it goes in automatic. Job isn't that stressful as last one. I have colleagues who can cover in case I need to.



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