Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

Yeah, you'll leave it at that because you know full well you are derailing the point and taking what I said well out of context. Of course there has been war and destruction perpetrated all over the world by all races and ethnicities, but the person I responded to was talking about multiculturalism in Europe ... so the conversation was focused on Europe.

People are ignoring the elephant in the room when it comes to housing. Its not just finding accommodation for incoming asylum seekers, whether its 13k or 20k this year. We have currently around 100k Ukrainians in Ireland, most of who are likely to stay here. Where do we find houses for these, they can't live in hotels forever.

Try this:

1. Read the first sentence of your post to yourself again.
2. Read my posts on this point.
3. Discover that you are making the same point as me.

By the way, point of order and all. The rebuilding of the post-war European economy was funded by the US....

And the best part is it was some of the locals who volunteer with Tiglin who suggested it to them ! no doubt the local residents are delighted with their do gooder neighbours. Confirmations to be held there this weekend also.

While I am unsure as to why my comments make you think my grasp of world history is appallingly bad (you can let me know which of those factual events I mentioned didn't actually happen) you, like a few others on this thread, seem to really hone in on some white guilt narrative. Bit sensitive and all.

Sadly, the point was being made about multicultural European cities becoming unrecognisable or in decline. So if someone says that, I am inclined to say OK let's go back and see what wonderful high point we were at prior to multiculturalism. For reasons beyond my self-hating control unfortunately,that means looking a time when it was more or less just white Europeans about the place* — so that's where my apparent "weird emphasis on skin colour".

This is not to say migration has not caused problems in European cities. It absolutely has. But the more dramatic, sensationalised outcries of Europe and its cities declining from migratiom from some glorious high point before modern day migration mean that it's perfectly rational to actually set out this timeline of apparent decline.

*please don't freak out lads.

To be fair, not much balance is allowed in this thread. Posters here are so reactive and never try and understand the more insightful posts. If posters come on this thread and don't immediately state that immigrants and NGOs and whoever else are the devils work, they are immediately and forever labelled as lefty whatevers.

out of curiosity, what would you consider a more insightful post?

this came up a few weeks ago with a person local to the area telling people this building was happening. At the time, it was believed no planning permission was required due to refugee usage. Now it seems it doesn’t have PP and requires it. Has the state and councils suddenly awakened to the clamour among the voters ?

I've never argued in favour of 'increased' immigration, more that governments shouldn't get involved in trying to manipulate the figures for political reasons. Ten years ago we had net immigration of zero, ditto during the Covid crisis - that's just the natural ebb and flow of how immigration and emigration works.

On the specific issue of refugees and asylum seekers, I wouldn't have any issue with a strict tightening up of the process nor against deportations. The UK Rwanda scheme is downright bonkers and deeply cynical though…..deporting people from the four corners of the globe to some random, unstable country in Africa.

what a hypocrite

wont be the last though, "agreed" and ""allowed" come across as very weak, it really should be move or its batons and pepper spray

I know nothing about Rwanda. Is it still unstable?

With regards to deporting people from around the world to a random country in Africa being bonkers, that is no different to asylum seekers from around the world coming to a random country in Europe like Ireland. Either both are bonkers or its not relevant.

But I thought these people were just spongers.

Why is there so much hate against them when you can see in the video that these people are clearly not having a good time.

Quoting tweets that hashtag "ireland is full" says a lot to me.

"Who would have thought that the people of predominantly white countries would be, well, white."

I dare say the penny has dropped. I was making a comparison to "multicultural" Europe and pre-multicultural Europe — the original argument being that multiculturalism has made Europe unrecognisable (which I take to mean unrecognisable in a bad way, therefore a decline, but happy for the person who said it to clarify). So I'm comparing one to the other — and pre-multicultural Europe was pretty much all white Europeans.

That's it. Not saying "white people bad". Not saying multiculturalism has brought peace and love. Not saying wars and atrocities haven't happened all over the world and committed by all races. The conversation was about Europe — and decline — so I am comparing the present day situation to the past situation. Because that's how decline is measured, right?

Im not sure what your point is?