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Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,030 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    it was more for myself to know than ICBF figures tbh

    I’ll just have to go back to recording in the ai book and see how many have repeated that way



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,030 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    tbf now I think the person jack is referring too has bought 70 acres in recent years. There would be good amount of money needed for that never mind what other infrastructure has been built



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,643 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Took a drive with an oap to the post office and took a different road home for the scenery.

    There's an awful amount of land gone to tillage that was in grassland last year. I might be lambasted. But the whinging and begging to the minister has worked with the increased subsidies. I even see a dairy farmer with 20 acres on the home block accessible to cows by roadway gone into barley with tramlines. Another former dairy farmer a few hundred metres on. The dairy herd went and they are all completely organic tillage this year.

    Whatever of timoleague and watching nitrates in waterways. All this will ensure more nitrates in waterways in this area now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 593 ✭✭✭Jack98


    Don’t know any farmers buying 70 acres off the back of farming alone these days, I’m sure they had their research done and stress tested the loan repayment capacity at various stocking levels and scenarios before jumping into that commitment.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭cosatron




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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,220 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    Imagine if you had to start with 40 Acres of rock And rushes I wonder would you survive.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,030 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    it could be 4 or 5 year ago it was bought when land wasn’t at crazy prices and it was doable for a farmer to buy. There was also no mention of dero being at risk a couple of years ago, teagasc had promoted for years to aim for 2.5-2.7 lu/ha and that’s what ppl did

    If you own all your land and are happy to sit at what numbers it can carry that’s fine but for ppl that wanted to make it bigger for what ever reason are going to be left very exposed. Not fair to be mocking them imo. It’s kind of like saying “I couldn’t /didn’t want to expand and now you have to cut back numbers after building them up and now you’re worse off than me after it all, haha”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,261 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    why would there heads be wrecked …they get paid for a service …farmers going to expense of monitoring systems and investing in sexed semen should make full use of the technology and serve at optimal time …if this means serving am pm so be it it’s only for short few weeks



  • Registered Users Posts: 593 ✭✭✭Jack98


    I’m not advocating for them to be ‘thought a lesson’ or any of the like, half the ground we now own was bought and have only two payments made on the latest block that was bought. My father never over extended himself and is now milking 3 times the amount of cows when he left school at 16 to go farming full time without the help of shares or off farm income etc. My point was that if you can’t survive at 140 cows what hope have you got, it’s easy have that new parlour, new shed or that new piece of land but if you haven’t planned for the worst before making them plunges who’s to blame?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,874 ✭✭✭straight




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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,874 ✭✭✭straight


    Are you doing any AI yourself? Always thinking of doing the course here, getting monitoring system and dumping the bulls.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,874 ✭✭✭straight


    The very definition of derogation meant that it was temporary. It's only a minority of farmers that blindly follow teagasc.

    In business you have to adapt and not just blame other people.

    Of course I myself are plenty guilty of whinging and Moaning but in the background I am not going to get myself into an unsustainable position and blame others for my decisions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 682 ✭✭✭farmertipp


    the big 3 need to be run well too though. I can see trouble down the road in dg if wrong guy appointed ceo. we need a fresh pair of hands. not someone who has been at dg coalface for yrs. someone with energy drive and vision. sadly lacking in dg atm



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,030 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    my folks started with nothing, dads dad died when he was 15 , had to buy 40 ac off my fathers mother to start out

    They took every chance possible and pushed it hard all the time, doubt I’d be farming at all if they didn’t do all that tbh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,665 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    I think the last 18 months would test the sustainability of any enterprise. Looks like we need to plan for 9 month winters from now on



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,643 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    And nitrates of 110kg and a tax on cows.

    Only the fittest will adapt.

    Phunk the rest.



  • Registered Users Posts: 682 ✭✭✭farmertipp


    i think we seem to get a serious long winter every 5 r 6 yrs but this one took the biscuit. I would hope its not the norm. we have that el nino phenomenon at the moment which has affected weather for months but I think is to ease off . fingers crossed



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,643 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Round up is a derogation measure too in the EU.

    It won't be dropped because Bayer a German company have their suits well placed in the meeting rooms with a list of farmers to call on for the sob stories.

    Yet we have organic farmers also in the EU that don't use Roundup already.

    It was put under derogation so as to one day have it's use stopped in agriculture in the EU.

    Tillage farmers whinged to the EU when the derogation was near up. They were successful and it was granted another 10/12 years. Whinging pays.

    We have grassland farmers in Ireland being blamed for every bit going. From methane to nitrates that can come from tillage it's all on grassland. We have rates being reduced every year and no whinging. Phosphorus down now. Meal pr % down now. Milk quantity is back now because of this. But no whinging. We have soil testers on farms taking samples and if there's peat found you'll have very low limits of livestock allowed and be forced to block drains. But no whinging.

    Whinging pays lads. You've forgotten how to and who to and to do it with enough numbers behind you. If you don't you'll be continually walked on till you have to pay for the pleasure of being walked on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,869 ✭✭✭mf240




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,977 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Fingers crossed the good weather forecast comes this week and puts a bit of power back in the grass



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,643 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Then he murdered the priests who abused him.

    *ah we've all heard the story…



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,869 ✭✭✭mf240


    He had to buy all his own milk quota aswell😃🙃



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,643 ✭✭✭✭Say my name




  • Registered Users Posts: 224 ✭✭Kerry2021


    A man tried to tell me today that dairy farming will shift entirely to the good land and it’ll all be gigantic herds, big teams of staff doing shift work running the farms, big rotary parlours… I told him what he said was stupid because there’s no margin of profit left in farming for staff to run a dairy farm. A smaller farmer can work for nothing himself and run his own farm for nothing but you’re not gonna get staff to work for nothing. What do ye think, how’s the future gonna look for dairy farming in Ireland?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,833 ✭✭✭older by the day


    Well things change, but land prices, and inputs are too dear, at the moment plus the labor shortage. But if work permits were relaxed and land prices went down if a lot of the older folks give in there might be a change.

    To be honest I would not like to see any of my children tied to the milking parlour. A one man band is a tough way of dairy farming. So either way I don't worry about it



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,220 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    From what I m hearing foreign staff are a disaster. Its not the money that's the problem it's the living out in the country ,working on your own,away from family and not speaking the language so it's difficult to interact with people that's the problem.they get lonely and fed up and just feck off home one day and let things high and dry



  • Registered Users Posts: 593 ✭✭✭Jack98


    With all the talk of people getting out this spring there was little to no difference in the volume of land entering the market either for sale or rent from what I have heard and seen. Add to that land has not got any cheaper. I can’t see land getting any cheaper in the next few years and all the talk is that land will become available but I just don’t see it happening anyone I know of that got out this spring held onto the land and went into rearing cattle and maximizing payments.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,702 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Until youve had the pleasure of having to work with these lads like i have when i was out in australia, its hard to fathom how useless/disintrested and lazy they are in 90% of cases you do come accross the odd good one but the majority arent even worth feeding as the ole chap would say



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,853 ✭✭✭Castlekeeper


    It's been a late spring but nothing exceptional in my book. This is tough enoigcountry and we haven't had a whole bad 12 months around here in over a decade and if it straightens out soon it could be a grand year yet. In fact for the last 5 years we were blaming climate change we were so overdue a bad one based on the previous 30 years. The first half of last year filled barns with good fodder so no real grievance with 2023 here either.

    It's a higher stakes game now though.

    I wouldn't be bothered with the 9 months silage either, it's a big investment in infrastructure and stock There's always a load of silage or other feed to be gotten at cheaper than it costs to make it the odd time things would be running tight.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,421 ✭✭✭Wildsurfer


    I know a farmer with a Kenyan lad who lives in a cottage on an outfarm. Good worker but only has pigeon English, knows nobody, only person he meets is the farmer. I'd be worried a lad like that would just snap someday!



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