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Cork GAA Discussion Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    What makes you think an extra game means we can get better? Losing like this in Munster shouldn't be acceptable but I get a sense a lot of Cork fans are now happy to be also-rans and to scrape through. Getting through with 3 defeats would be grim and far from something to be happy about about. Could mean Ryan would hang on for another year also. Wouldn't be good.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,248 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    We lost 2 games, by narrow margins, playing crap in one of them, quite a lot of major decisions went against us and had a man sent off in both. We could easily have had 1 or 2 wins.

    If we had 2 performances as bad as Tip's first one, then fair enough. But we didn't.

    Ryan will be gone at the end of the season anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭BarryNumber1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,344 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    I assume Rule 5.11c - to charge an opponent for the purpose of giving a team mate an advantage. The penalty for a player already booked is to be sent off, and a free from where the offence took place.

    If O'Donnell had possession and the shoulder was fair, then obviously that isn't a free.

    Regarding consulting, the referee has "the power to consult" and "on a needs basis" with umpires. But the referee's decision is final. In this case you could see that the referee was looking directly at the incident.

    For example, if he hadn't seen it then he has the power to ask the umpire what happened to help him establish facts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,719 ✭✭✭Seadin


    100%, that would be embarrassing getting through with two or three losses. They don't deserve to go through on that record. I honestly think we won't need to worry that Limerick and possibly Tipp will decide our fate without us worrying going through on points difference or games won or lost. No way we are beating Limerick and it's pretty bad if we have to depend on other results to get us through.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭BarryNumber1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    Yeah Ryan was appointed on a three year term, and just because the Cork public want him gone doesn't mean that the county board are going to agree. They did offer Kieran Kingston an extension after the 2022 championship but he declined it.

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,145 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Only problem with this is that in theory every county could lose at least two games and qualify under the current system. So taking this to its logical conclusion you'd have no All Ireland champions potentially. Kilkenny played in the 2019 All Ireland Final after losing two matches.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,119 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    Mod Edit

    Warning issued.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,248 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Ryan does have another year left but lose to Limerick and beat Tip will be 2 wins in 8 games I think - I would like to think he would walk himself with those stats. No progression and no U20 stars to be seen - complete joke.

    We could qualify and turn things around somehow, if not I think he will go himself.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,248 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Minors are down 0-07 v 1-02 at ht

    It's so noticable how bad our kickouts are, putting us under big pressure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭zetecescort


    Minor football: Kerry 0-7 Cork 1-2 HT. Miskella penalty after 20 min keeping us in touch. struggling to win our kick outs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭The White Feather


    Its a brutal game to watch. Not any of the players fault but it feels like the team mirror each other just with Kerry a bit better so far



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭zetecescort


    Kerry 0-12 Cork 1-7 FT. closed the gap to 1 a couple of times but never got level

    Senior football fixtures after todays draw

    Group 3: May 18/19 (home team first): Clare/Kerry v Cork; May 25/26 (home team first): Armagh/Donegal v Tyrone; June 1/2 (home team first): Tyrone v Clare/Kerry, Cork v Armagh/Donegal; June 15/16 (neutral venues): Armagh/Donegal v Clare/Kerry, Tyrone v Cork.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,248 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Poor enough overall but they will surely improve for their next game.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭The White Feather


    That was a terrible game to watch. Kerry just that bit better.

    Football is becoming unwatchable whereas I love any underage hurling game



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭BarryNumber1


    I'm Cork public and I don't want to see him gone. When he started I felt 3 years might not be enough time to get the minors and U20s going probably, but work towards that and you never know what might occur in the meantime. I mean, who would you appoint to bring them on that knows them more than Pat?

    Limerick were planning well in advance of one or two years, look at their schools team (Ard Scoil) and Harty successes a decade ago. Ard Scoil were scouting for players in primary school ffs, that's the kind of planning required, not knee jerk reaction tactics. Leave Pat complete his term, and Ben take it from there and we should be in good shape.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,719 ✭✭✭Seadin


    And you are the one then that calls me negative when I say the same thing as you about the footballers. How ironic is that. I rest my case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭The White Feather


    I was talking about the game itself. Not the players. I said it at half time too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭The White Feather


    Team for tonights U20 Munster Final against Kerry. Reminder that it is live on TG4



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,424 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    It was interesting see some Cork players clapping each other on back after last night. I hope it was sign that they can move up a gear. Was decent cork crowd at it. Some handy players nothing stood out for either though.

    Going tonight again. Hopefully a good performance need keep Dillon quiet.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,248 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    I reckon there is a lot of room for improvement from the minor team, a lot of fine players but the performance in general was poor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    Regardless of what happens this year, i do think that Pat needs to start blooding more of the all Ireland winning U20's next year.

    The issue here i think is that he's been manager for almost two years now, and he still hasn't settled on an established starting fifteen.

    We've been way too loose and easy to score against for the last decade and a bit, i don't think there's any knee jerking highlighting that.

    We do seem to be behind the curve tactically (it's been that way since that 2006 all Ireland defeat to Kilkenny) in comparison to our competitors. I get the impression that other counties are confident enough that they'll always beat us in a shootout imo.

    We could be looking at a record here of one or two championship wins in eight attempts under Pat Ryan at the end of the championship.

    That would make Pat Ryan our worst manager since Con Roche in 1989. I do agree with you that Ben O'Connor is the heir apparent for the job though.

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭zetecescort


    Kerry 0-9 Cork 0-5 HT



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,248 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Ht Kerry 0-09 v 0-05

    Open enough first half, both defences doing well. We have created a few goal chances and will need to take them in the second half if we are to win. We'll have the wind in the second half.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭The White Feather


    We have had a couple of goal chances that would have been great to get one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭The White Feather


    Uphill task now after a Kerry goal



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,248 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    6 mins in and we conceed 1-03

    As good as game over already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭The White Feather


    We need to start going for goals now. We haven't taken any chance yet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭The White Feather


    Should have tucked that away there. Another goal chance missed



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,719 ✭✭✭Seadin


    Lads doesn't matter what grade it is against Kerry they always beat us. No fight no guts nothing. You just couldn't watch Cork in any grade playing Kerry. Clean sweep done again by Kerry in all grades.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,330 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Same old story no matter the grade. Very frustrating to see lads getting into great positions and just fluffing it. Not clinical enough at all.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,248 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Start of the second half, conceeded 6 points, lost by 6 points.

    Created several goal chances during the game - didn't take a single one.

    Corkery's young fell looks a nice player.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭BarryNumber1


    Good inputs. I do think that there's more light at the end of the tunnel this time around, but I will concede Pat is under pressure to deliver sooner rather than later. Dropping in more U20s is an option but you'd be afraid of the roasting they could get until they are established players. Look at last years U20 final where Offaly's Screeney was playing a blinder, Cork upped the ante physically in the second half and that was that. That could be what awaits some of out U20s when it comes to tackling the physicality of Limerick, Clare, Tipp, Galway, KK, etc at championship time. That could be an even uglier sight.

    Tactically? We're not at the races at the moment. I think we can now handle physical teams, but when we dish it out we get someone sent off. We probably need to hunt in packs a bit more like other teams to disrupt, maul, second arm, and so on- but that was never Cork's style. We also cannot handle when other teams get cute… see Clare's last few minutes antics of dragging players down and disrupting the game. All that is up to the sideline to get players prepped, and by the way Cork management need to start reminding the refs to play a manly game etc before the games, or maybe Clare are just a bloody good team and we were always going to be a point or two behind. Anyway, what the hell do I know, I never got as far as playing for Cork. Onwards and upwards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    We were a puck of the ball away from making it out of Munster last year. We didn't have much luck against Clare last Sunday either!

    I'd like to there's a big performance in us against Limerick. Obviously they'll be huge favourites, but i'd like to think we'll at least make them work for the win.

    We haven't beaten Limerick in the championship since 2019, so it would be nice to get that monkey off our backs!

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,719 ✭✭✭Seadin


    It would be the best feeling in the world if we got totally written off the weekend nobody gave them a hope and Cork then came out and won comprehensively. Carlsberg don't do dreams but if they did this would be up there with the best.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    We'll need Limerick to have an off day and for us to play out of our skins to topple them. We did give them a game last year, but it was a case of close but no cigar at the end of the day unfortunately!

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭zetecescort


    Tipp 2-10 Cork 0-7 HT. Cork mistakes punished for both goals. We have hit some poor wides too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭The White Feather


    Very poor first half from Cork. It looks like we are going through the motions. Load of really bad wides killing us and the gap is very large now



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  • Registered Users Posts: 592 ✭✭✭Corcaigh84


    O'Regan isn't a centre back, and they are all guilty of taking greedy pot shots from 45+ yards without a thought for the inside line. Leahy having an off day on frees isn't helping either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭The White Feather


    Buckley taken out there. Weird how there was no free.

    We should be just going for goals now. Use it as practice for the next day.

    We keep shooting from way too far out and missing. The whole game its been happening



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,719 ✭✭✭Seadin


    Lads this has been a right collapse of a performance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭The White Feather


    Yes its a really bad performance all round. Crazy shot selections non stop, bad tackling and just generally second to the ball every time.

    I think they might meet again. Hopefully the result will be different



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭zetecescort


    might calm the calls for O'Connor to be next senior manager for a while



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,719 ✭✭✭Seadin


    I was thinking the same thing. I actually don't know what is the solution.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,248 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Poor performance but being qualified already had a part to play I'm sure.

    Once they hit knockout I'm sure the performances will be better.

    The U20's have had a stellar few years and throwing any doubt on O'Connor based on tonight needs to be tempered with the the previous performances , which seem very easily forgotten by a few.



  • Registered Users Posts: 592 ✭✭✭Corcaigh84


    Tipp's first touch overall was about a 9/10 whereas ours was woeful, we came out of most rucks without the ball (just like the Seniors) and we tend to be far less cute trying to retain possession - ie jabbing the ball too high and letting a Tipp man get flick in. In contrast we can't seem to tackle correctly, and didn't identify the ref blew against the defenders every single time they stood up their man.

    I would have found the incident hilarious when the ref heard the Tipp man hit his hurley off our No. 5's stick but gave a free in to Tipp - but by then we were 4 goals down. Serious increase in effort needed the next day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭zetecescort


    Pat Ryans previous efforts at both club and intercounty have been forgotten by a few lately too. Not saying he should have the job for as long as he wants or that results dont matter but he was the best candidate by far at the time and he should get our full support while in the job.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,248 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    If you are not good enough you are not good enough, plain and simple.

    Club history matters very little v intercounty history.

    O'Connors v Ryan's is a bit chalk and cheese currently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    With regards to Pat Ryan and this he needs our full support thing, well results and performances will dictate that i'm afraid.

    If it's another group stage exit with just one or two championship wins this year, then alarm bells will be ringing.

    He has been unlucky at times for sure, but i think getting out of the group stage at the very least should be the bare minimum requirement of a Cork manager.

    He has a good track record at u20 level but senior level is a totally and utterly different ball game to u20 level altogether.

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



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