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Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

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  • Registered Users Posts: 68,857 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I'd say if the numbers secured it,Id imagine the members would definitely vote to return a new version of this government,they certainly won't be knocking the doors come election saying how terrible each other are

    Seriously, could anyone trust anything they say? That's their real problem next time out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭pureza


    You could say that of all politicians

    Politics 101 : present manifesto

    Politics 101 : Dump half of it or more in negotiations for government

    Politics 101 : If you're a party so far apart from others and seriously want to get into government,just dump a lot of the policies previously held dear in an attempt to be credible to the other parties prior to election



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,911 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    If Sinn Fein cannot con FF into government, they won't form a government. The price they will pay will include a rotating Taoiseach, possibly even with FF going first as SF have zero Ministerial experience.

    However, it won't get to that. 55% of the electorate hate Sinn Fein and will never vote for them. Any party that goes in with SF will pay a heavy price. FG will smartly rule out SF to look at getting that vote.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,857 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Sinn Fein cannot con FF into government,

    Hilarious. 'I will never coalesce with FG' - Micheal Martin.
    'Putting a FF minister of finance in government is like asking John Delaney back to run the FAI' - Leo Varadkar.

    Who got conned there?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭pureza


    Ah here now,you're not serious?

    He changed his mind

    Surely you're not reverting back to the old Sinn Féin position on EU referenda ,that people shouldnt be allowed to change their mind?

    Sinn Féin afterall have become serial mind changers 😂



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  • Registered Users Posts: 68,857 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    As long as we don’t pretend only one party play the field Pureza as some folk around these parts like to do.

    Yeh, I admire politicians and parties who can change bur don’t be telling me MM and Lv were not in the con game.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    If you think all Irish politicians are in the con game ( you mentioned FF and FG - please do not attempt to tell us your SF were / are not in the con game…take its leader for most of the past 40 years - for example does anyone believe him when he says he was not in the IRA, so is or was he conning too )….do you think all politicians overseas are in the con game too?



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,857 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I didn’t introduce the concept of a ‘con’.

    There is though a fascinating and probably lively debate to be had on previous leaders of political parties here, I’m thinking Haughey, Ahern, Kenny and Adams too and the level of ‘conning’ they pulled off. But it isn’t for this thread.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    No, but you asked "Who got conned there?" and you stated in a following post "don’t be telling me MM and Lv were not in the con game."

    MM and LV's governments were not perfect but most of the problems we have are first world problems, and in fairness the country has full employment, record spending is being spent on educatuion and health, it is not borrowing tens of billions extra every year to keep the show on the road etc. We know what other politicians are like in this country too. So answer the question: do you think all politicians overseas are in the con game too, or is it just Irish politicians you think "are in the con game"?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭Bobson Dugnutt


    Gerry Adams knew his brother was a rapist and pedophile and did nothing about it. In fact he suggested to his brother that he leave NI and work in Dundalk. He later became Gerry’s election agent.

    That’s the sort of man Adams is. His attempts to portray himself as some sort of slightly eccentric elder statesman on Twitter should be seen for what it is.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 68,857 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Totally agree that he did the absolute wrong thing in relation to his brother and I am glad he has admitted to wrong doing and addressed that.

    Not seeing the 'elder statesman' vibe, I'd associate that more with Ahern's rehabilitation (albeit ably assisted by some in the media) but I think I stopped following him on twitter. Will have a look.
    I doubt his musing will affect government talks though, so doubtless this is off topic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    I think you are correct in that "his musings" will not "affect government talks though"…."his musings" would only affect government talks if SF were likely or attempting to form a government.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,199 ✭✭✭Good loser


    O Broin interviewed on Morning Ireland re housing Thurs.

    Interesting contrast between his attitudes to house prices and rentals. Contradictions actually. SF are against 'Right to Buy' and a few other such Govt policies on the grounds that they raise house prices and restrict supply for others in the market.

    Restricting house rents, limiting evictions and other constraints on landlords have the same effects on the rental market i.e. limit supply of houses etc for rent and push up the level of rents for those in the market for tenancies.

    He's slippery!



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,442 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Sinn Fein manage to yet again prove how incompetent they are and the DUP not much better

    Can't even arrange a meet and greet with the Taoiseach without f**king it up.

    Doesn't bode well for the people of Northern ireland, especially when you consider the meeting was about cross border project

    Incompetence again on display with everything to do with Sinn Fein

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/irish-premier-visit-northern-ireland-080016288.html



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,857 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It shows how much you know if you think either SF or any other party in the north would be singlehandedly making the arrangements for something like this.
    It would be an entirely civil service function and politicians would be told where to be.
    Anyway, it seems the 'incompetence' was on the Harris delegations side according to the BBC.

    A Stormont source said it is normal for official delegations to phone ahead to say they were imminent.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,442 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    I’m shocked the responses is another in the latest long line of excuses when it comes to anything SF are involved in

    You could say it’s just bad luck, but it’s just incompetence as usual



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,857 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    They didn't phone ahead Clo.

    That's embarrassing for you tbh. The idea that SF are at fault for everything is one of you competencies even if you are wrong. 😁



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,442 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    "A stormont source" 😂

    Sinn Fein yet again show they are totally incompetent, simple meet & greet every government is able to do across the World and they f**k it up

    Will leave you to the 101 post of excuses and jumping around, it's hilarious but I have better things to do

    Remember

    Sinn Fein = Incompetence



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,857 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    'Jumping around'?

    What about you 'jumping up and down' incompetently finding fault with the wrong people?

    Simon Harris's delegation didn't follow protocol and ring ahead was the cause of the glitch.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,440 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    …you might wanna prepare for a possible sf lead government here soon, you could be right in regards incompetence but many voters truly dont give a sh1t at this stage, just prepare yourself for the possibility of this, cause if you dont, its gonna sting just a bit……



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  • Registered Users Posts: 68,857 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The only thing he/she needs to do is realise that every government since the dawn of governments has done some things competently and others things incompetently.
    The current government being a case in point.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    If it was Mary Lou that was driving up the Avenue to Stormont, then the front door would have been opened and the First Minister would not have taken so long powdering her nose ( slapping on layers of make up, depending on your point of view ) as she was.

    Harris did not spend too long there, he probably wanted to get back in case the Gardai sealed the border anyway. 😉



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,857 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    If it was Mary Lou that was driving up the Avenue to Stormont, 

    I'm sure the civil service officials would not make the same mistake again and forget to ring ahead. Or maybe they would, the fact seems to be, they did forget to do it this time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Or else Michelle would have her make up already done and would have the security hut / gate lodge at the entrance to the Stormont estate phone to say visitors are arriving? I doubt it was first outing for the Garda driver for the Taoiseach?



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,857 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    According to the BBC the protocol is for the visitors to phone ahead, they didn't, hence the glitch.
    If you have a source that refutes this, post it. Otherwise you are making stuff up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    The BBC actually said "A Stormont source said it is normal for official delegations to phone ahead to say they were imminent. As excuses go it sounded, well, a little limp."

    I agree with the BBC: As excuses go it sounded, well, a little limp.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,857 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Of course it was an 'excuse', something had to excuse it and it was limp to forget to phone ahead.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    If indeed the "stormont source" was correct that it was protocol to phone ahead. In any case, I am surprised the security hut / gate lodge at the entrance to the Stormont estate did not phone to say vip visitors are arriving.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,857 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Do the Shinners man the gate?
    The funny thing here is the ‘it’s the Shinners fault’ brigade salivating over what was a minor glitch.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭pureza


    I see from the Irish Times,Michelle O'Neills top advisor has been moved south into Mary Lou's team to shake things up for the 26 county general election

    He's very good but tbh Michelle o'Neill would top the poll in any of the border Dáil constituencies and they'd be aswell doing that and move Mary Lou aside altogether,give her back to the EU parliament maybe

    Is there any block to an NI first minister or MLA sitting in the Dáil?



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