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General Star Trek thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 884 ✭✭✭Norrie Rugger Head


    Starfleet captains running the Dominion War didn't know of their existence yet they were openly operating in TOS time?

    Not a chance

    They're eating the DOGS!!!

    Donald Trump 2024



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭Evade


    Just in the context of having black commbadges on a secret Starfleet ship I don't see the issue almost everything after thst is complete ****. The Pegasus' phase cloak probably would have come in handy too but that wasn't common knowledge either



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,759 ✭✭✭Inviere


    Because it's the same as saying, "We're part of a secret branch of intelligence that doesn't exist." As said above, it's beyond stupid. Pure pantomime crap. Mind, it's only one of a litany of fundamental issues with Discovery...so much so that I really only see it as high budget fan-fic sludge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭Evade


    Even in DS9, S31 seems to be an open secret in some circles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,759 ✭✭✭Inviere


    Some circles like the higher Admiralty probably? Whispers, shadows, the odd rumour perhaps elsewhere....and full on plausible deniability for everything including its actual existence for everyone else. It's the only way to have it interesting and enjoyable.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,592 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Sisko had never heard of them, from what I remember. Admiral Ross knew about them, so that’s a small circle. It’s a long way from that to a fleet 100 years before.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The black insignia, black leather outfit and stealth looking black ships just kept reminding me of



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭Evade


    The fleet and all that is nonsense. I was talking about the black commbadges on the already secret Starfleet ship specifically.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,759 ✭✭✭Inviere


    A secret ship, with secret officers on board who don't officially exist, manned by regular Starfleet crewmembers who don't bat an eylid to any of it…

    Its bad, real bad, even by fanfic standards.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭Evade


    Yeah, it's classified. It's not that much of a stretch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,759 ✭✭✭Inviere


    By classifying it, you're acknowleding its existence...

    The ship, sure, yeah, makes sense there's classified tech out there being field tested.

    Section 31 on board in public view advertising the fact they exist yet don't exist? Hmm...



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,592 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    yeah, but if they don’t exist why the black comm badges. It makes zero sense. ZERO

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users Posts: 354 ✭✭eadrom


    The Greatest Generation podcast have just finished up Voyager and are starting Enterprise next week.

    I might start watching the show along with them, an episode a week. I don't remember loving it by any means but it's been a while, and the podcast is always good.

    https://maximumfun.org/podcasts/greatest-generation/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭Evade


    I put on one episode of DS9 earlier while for background noise, I think I'm six or seven episodes in now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,318 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    You know what would be cool? If AI could be used in a way to bring all Star Trek characters to life. Imagine being able to ask the character any question you wanted. I would ask Worf who was the biggest threat the Borg or the Dominion and who scared him more.

    Which character would you ask a question to and what about?

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    I'm thinking exactly the same thing.

    I did not enjoy Enterprise at the time but I am happy to have another look now and will probably match my viewing to the Greatest Generation episodes as they happen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭ilovesmybrick


    I did a rewatch of Enterprise a few years back. There are some rough episodes, and I was never a massive fan of the Xindi story, but there are some pretty good episodes in there that I started putting on the random Trek episode while cooking rotation. Also when I saw the Season 5 plan for the refit version of that ship I was quite disappointed not to have seen it in the show.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,759 ✭✭✭Inviere


    I feel Enterprise, a little like Voyager, benefits greatly from an increased cadance of watching....ie, one episode a week doesn't really play to the strengths of the show. It feels slow, lumbering, and boring at times. Switching up to a few eps a week, for me anyway, allows the show a bit of momentum and it's far more enjoyable that way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,035 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    I think streaming certainly helped for season 3 anyway. Enjoyed it a lot watching the episodes mostly back to back whereas I lost interest first time round. (Similarly for DS9 as a whole).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,912 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Holly Hunter has been cast as the lead in the upcoming Starfleet Academy series



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,912 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Prequel film in the works as well.

    Simon Kinberg in Talks to Produce ‘Star Trek’ Prequel Film

    The “Star Trek” prequel will also be produced by J.J. Abrams, who has overseen all “Star Trek” movies through Bad Robot since 2009’s “Star Trek,” which he directed…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Wow a prequel.

    I have been thinking for ages now it's time someone tried to do a Star Trek prequel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,759 ✭✭✭Inviere


    Is this yet another prequel film done by JJ but one that isn't set in the JJ-verse? Jesus, there's a question to ask...shows what a toilet they've made of movie Trek. Diluted to the point of apathy at this stage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 354 ✭✭eadrom


    A prequel to **** what, like? A prequel to the TNG era? TOS? The JJ Films? Strange New Worlds? Enterprise?

    Can't wait to meet Spock's cousin or some crap though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    If it's a JJ prequel then it's technically prime universe unless it's in the tiny slip of time between the Kelvin incident and the JJ movies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,011 ✭✭✭DoctorEdgeWild


    Another prequel and it'll just be the present! That's the last place I want to be!!

    SNW went a fantastically long way towards convincing me that the greatest TV show of all time still has life left but the dilution of it since the now, rightly, more appreciated VOY days has been terrible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,318 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Paramount are hoping for this new film to be released in 2025. Not a hope unless they mean Christmas 25. I think 2026 would be better in time for the 60th anniversery of Star Trek.

    Still there has been a lot of false starts so I will not believe this is happening untill I see some real movements.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,759 ✭✭✭Inviere


    I genuinely couldn't care less at this stage. With JJ at the helm, I think his track record in terms of Trek is well established....it's highly likely to be a flashy, shiny, shallow film that could be called Space Adventure 5 and nobody would ever realise it's a Star Trek film. It'll be a watch and forget movie, just like all of the other ones he's done.

    I'd love to be wrong, but past performance doesn't inspire me. This could have been a real opportunity to grow the franchise and finally give things some momentum.

    Imagine SNW on TV was building towards a big finale with a banger of a final season, and it was going to end as a big screen adventure with a well respected cast and writers at the helm....one that had actual weight to it....or any other myriad of possibilities that'd make a great film....nope, JJ to the rescue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    Having gotten through the guts of Season 1 this week, I am in agreement with this.

    I found the first couple of episodes a slog, but it's not as bad as I remember .

    The Greatest Generation lads referred to Tucker as Chief Engineer George W Bush and now I can't unsee it. It's uncanny



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,318 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Really? If you mean "Broken Bow" as in the first couple of episodes I thought that was a great way to start Enterprise and a great two parter. I remember thinking at the time (Wow that was great. Can't wait to see what comes next). Enterprise had hit the ground running but yes after that its like they ran out of steam and it just slowed to walking speed for a while with the odd bit of jogging along the way and then by season 3 Enterprise was in a stride and by season 4 was running again. Such a pity season 5 never happened it would have been flying by then.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭Evade


    I like the way SFDebris calls Mayweather "Travis 'I've been to space you know' Mayweather"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,035 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Forgot it second time round watching but now that you mention it, the original run of Enterprise was during Dubya's presidency and I remember not being able to unsee it at the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 884 ✭✭✭Norrie Rugger Head


    They're eating the DOGS!!!

    Donald Trump 2024



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,318 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Anyone here watch that "Atlas" film on Netfliks? It's not bad anyway the only thing it has similar with Star Trek is the Warp jump and in warp view.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Watched the Motion Picture for what must have been the first time in years: I actually came out of it with a something of a reassessment, stopping short at it becoming something I outright enjoyed. It was still unbelievably slow to the point of tedium, yet you could see the small shoots of the kind of Trek we'd see later with TNG onwards - and basically came to inform what we now consider "Star Trek".

    The costumes remained abominations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Its one of my favourites now (except the uniforms)

    I think I have come to really appreciate it for being slow after the last 15 years of "Too Trek Too Furious". Other than the uniforms it was the best Trek has been in terms of overall style and art direction and the plot manages to be interesting and "world ending" without being some over the top villain with a doomsday device.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I didn’t mind the TMP costumes as much myself. They seemed like an interesting transition from the TOS uniform to the classic Movie-era uniform. I think Phase 2 were even just going to use a slightly updated TOS uniform before it got turned into the movie.

    However, I kind of wish they stuck with the admiral uniform Kirk wears at Starfleet Command. I liked that one, I feel that they should have rolled that out to the whole cast.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Problem was, slow is all well and good but when the script kept hammering home how close V'Ger was getting to Earth and that TIME WAS OFF THE ESSENCE, those luxuriating 6, 7 minutes spent flying around the Enterprise, or watching the interior of V'Ger crawl by? It kinda kept upending the tone, and testing my tolerance. You crib but a 90 minute edit would be an interesting experiment.

    As it is with any onesie, it only invites the obvious question about how one goes to the toilet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭JayRoc


    I just cannot get on board with the costumes. They're unforgivable.

    I don't like much of the movie era costumes but the motion picture stuff was the worst of 70s awfulness.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭ilovesmybrick


    Ah here now, rag on the Motion Picture uniforms to your hearts content, but leave the monster maroons out of it! Between them and late DS9 as my favourites!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The maroons look good in isolation but I hate how disconnected they are from all other uniforms. They should have colour coded them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,294 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Disconnected? So you would almost say they were ... ahem... marooned?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Looking forward to watching the rest of TOS' films, though I suspect my opinion on Five won't shift an iota.

    Aesthetically, they ruin the movie. The pacing you can edit around if you really want to, but whoever Okayed the array of truly awful romper suits as uniforms hopefully never worked a big blockbuster again.

    Also had a good laugh at Ilia's robot clothes, where the Enterprise's "sonic shower" magically gave her a small dressing gown skirt and heels.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,035 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    While the plot and special effects of Star Trek V are awful, the character interplay in the movie is some of the best in the franchise imo. Enough to elevate it way above the likes of Discovery, Abrams Trek etc. imo.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,759 ✭✭✭Inviere


    Couldn't agree more, at least it tried. It failed, but it wasn't all rotten eggs either. I've seen it quite a few times, and I'll happily rewatch it again in time no doubt....which is something I can't say about Discovery.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7 jdbwals


    Didn't see this mentioned previously but Vue Liffey Valley have two showings of Wrath of Khan this coming weekend and are showing The Search For Spock the following weekend for it's 40th anniversary.

    I saw Wrath of Khan the last time Liffey Valley showed it but have never seen Search for Spock on the big screen and as one of my favs in the series, I am really looking forward to it.

    So many great moments to see on the big screen, first view of Spacedock, first view of the Excelsior, the stealing of the Enterprise sequence and not to mention the destruction of the Enterprise.

    It's the first Star Trek movie I remember seeing when it was shown on RTE as one of their Christmas time movies back in the day.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7 jdbwals


    As for Star Trek V, it's not the strongest movie but I still enjoy it. What carries it for me is the character interaction between Kirk, Spock and McCoy where I think it does a good job of showing the strength of their friendship.

    I also think it did a good job of showing the relationship between Spock and Sybock (probably spelt that wrong), given it is the first time the character was ever mentioned.

    Some of the humour worked well, Scott's comment on the ship being put together by monkeys always gets a smile from me and despite the special effects issues, there are still some good shots of the Ent A.

    And I like that in this one the Klingon's are shown as being more complex, can be reasoned with and can work with the Federation to reacha common goal - foreshadowing what was coming down the line.

    Okay, the God stuff and some of the humour (Scotty whacking his head) didn't work so well.

    Still, as the first Star Trek movie I saw on the big screen it will always have a special place for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Never a fan of the surprise siblings plot. Sadly it wasn't to be the last time Sarek threw secret children at us.

    But the interplay between the characters is really what makes it. Also I do love the "what does god need with a starship" scene.



  • Registered Users Posts: 354 ✭✭eadrom


    I dunno about the character stuff in Star Trek 5 to be honest. I watched it recently and was hoping that would be the saving grace, but it really wasn't. IMO, at least.

    Bones is far too mean to Spock throughout, like really beyond funny and just into cruel, uncalled for, racist old man jibes, constantly. And Kirk just smirks at it all. Really off-putting; I wouldn't want to hang out with these guys. "Row, row, row, your boat" and "marsh.. uh.. marsh-mallows" is not a good character moment either, it's just silly.

    And it suffers too because the rest of the cast outside those three are given absolutely nothing to do. And suddenly Scotty and Uhura are having a romance?

    Even the messaging. Isn't there a whole thing about Kirk wanting to keep his pain? He "needs" his pain? That might have worked better at the time but jesus, maybe some therapy wouldn't go amiss actually. What's Sybok offering here that's really so bad?

    So the message at the end is that god is dead and our pain is what defines us? Yuck.

    I went in hoping to find some redeeming qualities but I ended up disliking it much more than I'd remembered.



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