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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,391 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    Well the holiday weekend is well on the way here, if only I could work out those pro Russia posters are Russia stooges or just local boyos and girlos who are doomsday fanatics. I guessing the cut price vodka from Aldi helps them either ways.

    Dan.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,855 ✭✭✭Rawr


    That’s the thing isn’t it. They are hard to distinguish from each other due to both using a near identical Bingo-card when posting on forums like this one. Our two possibilities typically are:

    • A Russian asset registering here to forward the Kremlin talking points. These are usually easy to spot and tend to be new-reg users who focus on forums like this one.
    • A fully subscribed member of an echo-chamber that’s being nurtured by the Russians. These are actual posters and you’ll see them across a diverse set of forums. But their opinions smack so much of a Putin-Bot that it’s hard to not perhaps wonder if they are one.

    The second variety are something to examine and wonder about….but also to be extreemly weary of. I would like to know more about the process of how people brought up in a liberal Western society would willingly delve into such a limited and authoritarian view of the world. What put them there, and what (if anything) can get them out of it?

    The thing to be weary off should be a concern for any student of history. While we look back to WWII and rightfully vilify the Nazis of Germany…not an awful lot of focus is given to the sizable Nazi organisations that existed in the US, Britain and across the free world up-to and including the war itself. Even before 1939, people knew what the Nazies were about and you still got people growing up in democracies and thinking “Yep, seems like a good idea”.

    With that invocation of Godwin’s 1st Law, that brings us back to today and the concept of a poster who supports Russia in their war of annihilation. They are the same thing, and sooner or later we’ll need to address this.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Why would Russia stop now?

    Well they can't in many ways. Putin went all in and it seems without realising what that meant. Though no matter how it pans out the Kremlin will claim they "won", got rid of "nazis" etc. And their flag wavers will buy it and fall prey to their usual amnesia about the difficult questions.

    They have shown NATO equipment to be second rate. Sale of NATO weapons to world will collapse now , further reducing money for western weapons R&D

    NATO nations rely far more on internal sales, never mind NATO economies dwarf Russia's anyway. What the US spends on their military alone would be a huge chunk of what Russia spends on everything in their economy. They don't need overseas sales. Russia is, or was far more reliant on those markets and who's going to want to buy Russian jack in the box tanks now? And if NATO equipment is so second rate, why does the Kremlin have a fit and start waving the nuke threat every time some new bit of NATO kit for Ukraine is announced? Did Russians looking at the display of captured NATO gear not find it interesting the tanks still had their turrets attached?

    Anti Ukrainian war feeling is increasing in EU/US, zero chance of the politicians getting the public on side to go fight for Ukraine, it ain't happening, more chance of revolution that the public marching of to fight Russia.

    Well the bot farms would love for that to be true, but it's not. Indeed in the US support for Ukraine has actually gone up since last year. Hell, even among Republicans. You may have missed the recent Volte-face in the US congress? Y'know the one where billions have been earmarked for Ukraine, the one that yet again had Kremlin mouthpieces apoplectic threatening nukes again? Bless.

    EU and US economies are in rag order, pumping tax payers money into Ukraine while the multitude of problems in the west only increases, public in west will vote for politicians who want to cut Ukraine loose.

    Ahh one does love the classics of the Russian Rolodex of spin. This is a perennial; "look at all your tax money going to Ukraine while your people starve/freeze!!". Hang on, I thought Europe was going to freeze and starve two years ago… You Russian spin doctors seem to forget, or don't want to think about; the money being "pumped into Ukraine" is a tiny fraction of Western nation's budgets. Any problems Western nations have were there before Ukraine and will be there after too. Big deal. Unlike Russia we don't need to have a wartime economy.

    Fact is Russian loses are no where near the Ukrainian level, Russia is simply shelling them around the clock from a safe distance and grinding out the win, slow progress, but progress none the less.

    At this rate it'll be 2100 when Russia takes Kiev.

    Now some will say the above is all lies, well why is the war still going on seeing as Russian ran out of ammunition last year, the Leopard and Abrams tank will sweep all before them on the battle field, you are been lied to alright, but look closer to home for the culprits.

    Nice shout out for the Do your own research! eejits on arsebook. You have that audience alright. Only a minority of fools claimed Russia was running out of ammo last year, though they have had to go cap in hand to Iran and of all crapholes North Korea to shore up supply. The MBT's were lauded by some, but most reasoned commentators noted there were simply too few and they wouldn't have that much of an effect, beyond the propaganda value, and to get up the Kremlin's nose. They most certainly did that alright. Cue Russia bots and simps reposting ad nauseam the same pics of a few western MBT's that were hit. Still with turrets attached…

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    "Russia are running out of money due to sanctions"

    That's not the purpose of sanctions. It's far more long term. Sanctions are designed to kill growth over time. The only growth sector in Russia is military and that's neither sustainable nor scalable. Russia's gas sales have fallen off a cliff, their biggest customer by far cut off for at least a generation. Untold billions gone and they don't have the manpower or tech to build new pipelines anywhere soon. Never mind most of the existing tech was Western in nature. That's also gone. Their oil sales ditto and what is sold is on tiny or non-existent margins. The ruble is still fine in Russia, but utterly worthless anywhere else including in BRICS economies. The BRICS bank itself cut Russia off from investment over two years ago. Sales to and from regions like Africa are down compared to before the war(peaked around 2018).

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,412 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Krasnodar is basically what Bavaria was to Nazism. Participants took turns in jumping from a ship and swimming to shore. When on shore Z flags, Soviet flags were flown. This area seems to be the heart of this Russian nazism movement.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Ah yes the pipelines… Here's a pic of Russia's pipelines:

    Notice anything? They aren't going east to "friend" China. Or should I say weren't. Russia's market was West, not East and that market has fallen off a cliff and infrastructure to build eastward will take time and cash, lots of time and cash.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,412 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    A chinese company will build "agricultural" drones in Krasnodar. 20 a month planned to be built.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,855 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Also worth mentioning that this middle part of that map with nearly nothing in it is a part of the world so difficult and unforgiving to human life (especially in Winter), that it took the Soviets decades and countless gulag-slave lives to build any infrastructure at all there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,878 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    A disturbing article (if all in it is correct). Total failure of the UN sanctions there, did not expect it was that bad.

    Probably have China to thank/blame, mostly. I would say it was reckless of them to be aiding a mad + paranoid govt. like that in NK to level up their weaponry/missiles to point where they can begin WW3 all by themselves, but what do I know?

    I wonder if any of the US/European advocates of globalisation + outsourcing back in the 2000s-2010s foresaw proliferation of components of weapons to likes of the Kim dynasty and re-exported value added products (ballistic missiles) landing on European cities?



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,412 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Cuban mercenaries executed their Russian commander for regular humiliations, withholding money from the soldiers, beatings. The mercenaries have been redistributed to the Rostov region never to be heard from again.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭zerosquared


    So how many people have to die in Europe before this silly practice of letting Russians in is stopped



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,502 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    All these guys are incapable of understanding basic concepts, such as that Ukraine has its own autonomy and can make choices of its own. Wanting to move towards the West and away from Russia was their choice, not anyone else's.

    The fact that Ukraine tried for many years to chart a course between Russia and the West, and ultimately rejected Russias interference in their country, which led to Russia invading, seems lost on them.

    Of course we in Ireland understand why a country would seek to diversify trade and share ideals with the EU, and away from dependence and political subservience to a former empire next door.

    We are therefore ideally poised to understand Ukraine, and these commentators who cant grasp this perspective look foolish to us.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Not really a shock tbh. Some sanctions are easy(if longwinded and expensive) to bypass, especially highly mobile and tiny items like basic inside near every electronic product chips that are made and sold across the world in unimaginable numbers every year. Hell, you could probably scavenge enough chips for your requirements from all the used IT gear we throw into recycling every year, a fair chunk of which ends up nations beyond the West as we like to outsource the messy stuff too. Even if there were no outsourcing or global markets and they were all made in The West™ they'd still be easy enough to procure.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,502 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    For Russia, the passing of the Ukraine aid package was a major development, demonstrating how much the USA wants to be involved in Ukraine and how much they are going out of their way to damage Russia.

    For the US, it was a Tuesday



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,878 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    On Russia-supportive posts from regs with similar handle names ("Pussyhands" on page 1, "poon tang" whatever next!?) I have wondered is it some Irish in Russia (that know of this site from back when I believe it was more popular) just amusing themselves?

    Were a fair few Irish doing work for RT pre invasion I think (see article below), when there was less of a stench off that.

    Am sure the money was good for young, presentable and clever people with native English, who are not from UK/US!

    From May 2022 Indepenent (paywall):

    https://www.independent.ie/news/the-rise-of-kremlin-news-organisation-rt-and-putins-irish-propaganda-arm/41644295.html

    Post edited by fly_agaric on


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,878 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Fair enough. It was surprising to me as I was thinking of the effect sanctions had on Iraq. These crippled Saddam's efforts to rebuild his military again and develop missiles and "WMD" after the Gulf War, as emerged publically later when the US invaded.

    Those were UN sanctions signed off on by the Security Council (i.e. like what NK is under?). Effectively "the World" such as it is saying this country is a danger to all, and must be economically sanctioned. They are not like the Russian situation, where the West (US/EU/G7) has tried to sanction them after the invasion, but many countries still trade with them as normal, or have increased trade in some cases for their own benefits and/or because they are hostile to the countries helping Ukraine defend itself or Russian allies.

    That has not happened with NK if that article is correct. Maybe you are right and things have changed since the sanctions on Iraq, and stuff like the consumer grade electronic components [and also likes of CAD and CAM and factory equipment] needed by NK to design and build ballistic missiles and drones are more freely available from more places, but I have doubts and think main difference here vs Iraq's situation may be NKs neighbour, China.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,911 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Pre-invasion this thread had a considerable amount of Irish posters who genuinely shared the same page as Putin. It's right there in this thread, start on page 1. It's surreal reading it now of course.

    Also May 9th coming up in Russia so they are getting excited for that

    Post edited by Dohnjoe on


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,506 ✭✭✭amandstu


    There is a piece on the BBC website today about the Cuban mercenaries fighting for Russia in Ukraine.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68949298

    Why have they blurred out their faces to protect their identities?Do they blur out the faces of the other Russian combatants?



  • Registered Users Posts: 74 ✭✭forrestgeorge


    Would seem the West would like some as well, strange this was not on the main stream news

    The US has "eased" sanctions on ten of Russias biggest banks

    The US Treasury has authorized transactions with Russian banks “for energy,” including for oil, gas and timber.



  • Registered Users Posts: 74 ✭✭forrestgeorge


    Mr. Gourinchas: Yes. So we have revised Russia’s GDP growth in 2024 by 0.6 percentage points, to 3.2 percent, so this is a significant upward revision.

    Russia winning the economic war as well



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  • Registered Users Posts: 74 ✭✭forrestgeorge


    You would be wrong, put a link up for this Forrest so i can check them out



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,367 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Nope.

    Those are relying on Russian data, so garbage in garbage out. Military spending will show up as an increase in GDP... it is an economy cannibalizing itself.

    Why are you just dumping Russian propaganda without scrutiny?

    Who do you think you are going to fool with this misinformation?

    This canard has been thoroughly discredited multiple times already on the thread.

    Any claim Russia is winning economic war is just an exercise in economic illiteracy.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 74 ✭✭forrestgeorge


    Is this the same BBC News that told us a year ago Russia has at best two weeks of ammo left?😂😂

    Any way the good people in Kiev can sleep soundly in their bed at night and not worry about missiles slamming into them, why is that you ask, well the Ukrainians have run out of air defense missile that where prone to go of course and hit apartment blocks, mean while Russian missiles with washing machine components are hitting targets will accuracy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,447 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    It's an extension of a previously existing license, so it's not easing of anything.



  • Registered Users Posts: 74 ✭✭forrestgeorge


    I think you have just describe the United States economy.😂😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,412 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Probably no consent given from Facebook or the people themselves to use the images.

    Everyone in the link I put up is easily recognisable. So the proof is there for the Cuban authorities to charge them on if return if they so wish.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,436 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Any economic forecasts based on Kremlin data, needs to be taken with the proverbial ton or more of salt……the only economic prediction you can confidently make about Russia, is that Russia is extremely economic with the truth, in ALL matters!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 74 ✭✭forrestgeorge


    Russia got the jump on Ukraine/NATO , war was coming anyway. A failure of western intelligence agencies

    "The US Air Force pays $90,000 for a package of bushings that typically costs under $100.”

    So money spent in west on weapons is not spent wisely, as for western tanks with turret on display , naturally they going to show the best preserved trophies, plenty of video of Leopard and Abrams tanks without turrets blow up.

    EU/US economies are not preforming well, that is the truth, Russia on the other hand is ticking along nicely.

    Russia loses are a fraction of Ukraine, how do we know this, well Ukrainian dragging men of the street to go fight, we all seen the video of the down syndrome man fighting for Ukraine, the video of a surrendering Ukrainian PREGNANT woman and now we have this scraping of the barrel recruitment escalation

    Does that look like a side that is winning and taking little casualties?

    Meanwhile Russia get 30,000 volunteers joining the military per month, that exclude the 100+k conscripts

    Last year

    This year

    "Only fools claimed Russia was running out of ammo last year", that would be the same fools in the mains stream media telling you Ukraine is winning today, yet you chose to still believe these fools?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,789 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It will take a sea change in the political leadership across Europe to even honestly talk about stopping people who have violent intent against Europe being let in, nevermind doing it.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 74 ✭✭forrestgeorge


    Russian gas and oil sale are going to be fine.

    Don't believe what the media tells you, look at what is actually happening.

    France has paid Russia over €600 million this year for liquefied natural gas, new data shows. That’s an EU-leading rise from last year.

    Western tech is not the be all end all, Russia has done fine with all the sanctions and have you seen what's coming out of China in recent years? Cutting edge tech and they have no problem selling to Russia



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