Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

I think European leaders need to get dictatorial on this issue. Imagine the idea of promising own door accommodation to every Tom Dic and Harry. All these welfare states offering a gilt edged opportunity to people, no matter who, no matter how different. The most disastrous element of this is the fact that middle class Ireland are having less children, one reason being that they've either no house or have a large mortgage or rent to pay and therefore need to work in order to afford childcare etc...nothing is being down to really improve that situation. What a mess. Any country trying to run itself is completely vilified as right wing by MSM, Poland and Hungary come to mind. Luckily, most other countries are getting the finger out.. hopefully some strong leadership emerges, no signs yet on this island.

Refusal of entry, or refusal of ‘leave to land’, while an important legal determination, is rendered effectively irrelevant if a person decides to apply for asylum. A person refused leave to land that applies for asylum enters the asylum system and their claim is processed in the prescribed manner with the various appeals that entails. I’m unsure of the statistics for the entire year 2022, but the Minister of Justice stated that of the 5,662 persons refused leave to land in the year to September 2022, 4,969 or approximately 90% applied for asylum. With that in mind, I’m unsure why you find the 9,240 figure particularly compelling, presumably 90% of those applied for asylum and remained in the State.

 "completely vilified as right wing by MSM, Poland and Hungary come to mind."

Steady on there now - have you ever lived in either country? I have. Hungary is practically a dictatorship under Orban who likes to cosy up to Belarus. Poland is politically immature but not as bad by a long chalk. However under PIS it was deteriorating rapidly. Their domestic politics were authoritarian to say the least, not to mention corrupt. Not a subject for discussion here but no example to hold up as an ideal.

I have, neither country perfect. Despite that, both countries are thriving considering where they were 30 years ago. Both countries look after it's people's with measures in place for them to flourish. And Orban is Putin's puppet, I know, we're told every day. His country gets most of its gas from Russia as far as I know, likely can't breakdown the relationship but my point is that the two countries I've mentioned don't have the issues that are being discussed here. And yes, they are immediately vilified ass soon as they do anything different to the herd. ..they are sovereign nations, their business, not ours.

Maybe they did. Do you have accurate figures for that?

If you are refused entry, you are returned to wherever you came from. If course, if you claim asylum, then that changes. Pretty sure everyone is aware of that. And people are entitled to claim asylum, legally.

I know.

Have you a link to that paper?

Sunday Independent/ Ireland Thinks poll was interesting, if 40% of those polled favour a policy of deterrence as rigid as the Rwanda Plan, then presumably a majority would favour less rigid policies of deterrence as practised in Scandinavia.

https://demo-demo.nl/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Borderless_Welfare_State-2.pdf

Borderless Welfare State: The Consequences of Immigration for Public Finances.

And then they give the number actually deported that year.

Firstly, you don't know that one group are law abiding citizens, that is my point. You know nothing about UK and EU citizens living here. No vetting, thought that was a big issue for posters?

Secondly, how many AS entered Ireland illegally? You cannot call the entire group of AS lawbreakers, when you don't know how they got into the country. Unless you have those figures?

I'm not the biased one here, there are posters complaining about unvetted men, but no issues with unvetted men or women from EU or UK. There are posters complaining about foreigners coming here for our welfare, but no issues with UK citizens being entitled to all welfare, same as Irish. There are posters complaining about men we don't know coming here, but no issues with men from the UK or EU, that we don't know either!

Nope, I'm not the biased one.

Again more deflection. Entering the country illegally is illegal.

So EU/UK citizens entering Ireland = legal law abiding.

AS entering via lorries/NI border and/or destroying documents = illegal breaking the law.

People have no issue with EU/UK because its legal and reciprocal.

I'm bowing out now because you're either deliberately talking pony or you're actually incapable of comprehending simple facts.

As regards vetting at least, EU migrants with previous involvement in crime would generally be flagged on the European Criminal Records System (ECRIS) because their crimes would be committed and recorded in the EU. This is less common in the case of non-EU criminals because their crimes will generally be committed in their country of origin. The State is able to automatically access to EU criminal records, it is unable to automatically access Nigerian criminal records.

Stop for god sake , becoming embarrassing at this stage. If you are so hung up on offering these people who have come to ireland without a visa , for a better life. Will you offer them a bed in your house.

I suspect not but yet you expect Mr and thousands of others to fund your Liberal agenda.

To hell with international obligations. Where are irish obligations. Obligations to provide for the electorate that voted for you.

1673 without accommodation and they are still arriving.

I will lay a little bet with you and all the other liberals.

Bon secour have put Barringtons hospital up for sale in Limerick city centre. The logical thing would be for the HSE to purchase it to alleviate the crisis in UHL. I bet within a year it will be full of IPA's

Where ... does... the money ...come...from... for all this accommodation.

Massive national debt on a very fragile tax base but spend spend.

Suvigirl I know what I am talking about if anything happens in the US to discourage FDI we won't have money to turn on street lights not to mind housing all these refugees.